Re: Review of console-setup wrt D-I [very long]
On Sunday 28 June 2009, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > > I have no idea what the difference between "Netherlands" and
> > > "Netherlands - Standard" is. Such problems have to be reported
> > > upstream.
> >
> > There are a fair number of differences between those two variants in
> > /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nl, albeit mostly at higher shift levels.
> > I agree, this should be taken up with XKB upstream if it's an issue,
> > rather than us carving out our own little silo.
>
> It's not exactly this issue, but it's still related to Frans' concern
> about "origin" of keyboards:
> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21046
> Bug 21046 ??? express that the us layout makes the majority in a bunch
> of countries
>
> In short, upstream agreed that the nl layout should have something like
> a "uk" variant, however Sergey doesn't know how that should be called,
> and neither do I. Could NL people comment on the bug?
Eh, I *am* an NL person... I thought I'd already made my comments clear
and explained the Dutch situation. Both in this thread and the BR from
Kurt about Altgr (#524235).
1) Some time ago I set the default in c-s for NL to 'us' (r58049).
2) "Origin" as question sucks majorly.
3) Both Dutch keymaps and American English keymaps are in use, but the
Dutch ones are a relatively small minority.
4) If one of the variants currently listed under "Netherlands" really
is the American English layout then that is absolutely not obvious.
I would *NEVER* have understood that from the current descriptions.
5) Dutch people very much *do* still type accented characters. Accented
characters are an important element of the language. Just see the Dutch
D-I PO files translation of the manual. My personal preference when
using an American English keyboard is to define right alt as compose
key for that.
6) Both the Dutch and American English keyboards in NL do sometimes
have the € symbol; I've seen it on on both the 5 key and the e key.
I have no idea how many do (not) have it and how many have it on 5/e.
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