Le lundi 02 juin 2008 à 14:10 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > There's a fundamental difference between the gnome package and the > gnome-desktop task. The former is the complere gnome desktop environment > with all extras, as shipped by gnome, while the latter attempts to be > the best gnome-based desktop that Debian can put together and ship on a > CD/DVD. The complete GNOME desktop environment as shipped by GNOME (modulo tomboy) is gnome-desktop-environment. In gnome we provide extras that are chosen by Debian to make it the best desktop experience we can. Which is obviously what you should also want with the gnome-desktop task. > These two seem unlikely to be identical, as long as there exist packages > like openoffice and firefox, that are developed outside of gnome, and > that everyone expects to find on their desktop. I disagree with that “everyone”, but this is another story. The default installation should probably be gnome + OOo + X + iceweasel, in this case. > > Packages installed by the gnome package, not by tasksel: > > * abiword: adding it would mean installing two word processors, > > since openoffice is already part of the installation. However > > abiword is much lighter and much more suitable for beginners > > Beginners expect to be able to open all the microsoft documents they get > and have them work well, and have an uber-bloated word processor that > looks similar to the MS tools, which is why everyone uses OOo. It does not prevent us from shipping a better integrated word processor, while setting OOo as the default handler for .doc files (currently it is not, but I can easily change that). > Anyway, the gnome package does not pull in abiword AFAICS. It does, through gnome-office. Same goes for dia, gnumeric, inkscape, planner. > > * gdm-themes: nice to have for customizing one’s desktop, just > > like gnome-themes-extras. > > I'm not sure that "nice to have" is really worth bloating the default > install (and installation media) by 4 mb. We ship a pre-themed gdm. > > (Dropping the 20 mb gnome-themes-extras would also be a sizable win to > consider...) Considering the size of the default installation, that’s definitely your call. > > * tomboy: very nice app, but controversial since it brings the > > full Mono stack, so we don’t make it part of > > gnome-desktop-environment. > > I doubt that the size of its dep chain (~50 mb) makes it worthwhile to > add it to our task. Yeah, that’s what I feared. I hope someone rewrites it in Vala some day… > > * totem-plugins: totem will lack functionality without it. > > totem-plugins is a dependency of totem, so it already installed by > default. > > (g-d-e still depends on totem despite it being a "dummy package", and > totem still depends on totem-plugins while totem-gstreamer does not.. > will this be cleaned up?) Ah, indeed that’s stupid. ISTR that upstream told us totem-plugins includes core functionality, so we should probably move it to g-d-e directly. > > * gparted: not sure it is that useful, but we could add it to > > gnome. > > I'm on the fence about this one myself. Gustavo promoted adding it. Actually, it sounds like something more useful for the installer itself than for normal desktop operation. > > * update-notifier: not very well maintained, but definitely > > useful. Maybe as a recommend? > > It's pretty crucial to have this well-maintained IMHO. Many users will > only find out about security fixes via this. Unfortunately there are already much more crucial packages that are not well-maintained. > > * gdebi: we should definitely add it to gnome. > > Along similar lines, I've been considering adding aptlinex or something > similar to the task. The UI is not a really great fit though. And apturl > is not packaged.. I’m not sure it is that useful. We already have nice integrated UIs, I’m not sure we need web crap just for the coolness of web 4.0. > > * transmission-gtk: I don’t know that application, but it sounds > > like a useful addition to gnome. > > It's the best integrated bittorrent application I've seen for gnome so > far, and relatively popular. OK, will add it. > > * liferea: definitely a good addition to gnome. > > * pidgin: we should add this one, or maybe rather telepathy, to > > gnome. > > My impression is that pidgin has the mind share at the moment. I've > never seen a clear explaination/example of telepaty's capabilities. Is > it ready? There is controversy as to whether integrate it to GNOME mainstream, but it is not about the capabilities. I’m no IM user myself, so I can’t tell whether it is good enough. > > * evolution-plugins: sounds like something we forgot to add on our > > side. > > Possibly. Gustavo recommended adding that to the task. It is already here through recommends, but we need to make it more explicit. > > * tsclient: we now install vinagre which is part of the GNOME > > release, which is nicer but lacks RDP support. I don’t know > > what’s best for this one. > > (You're the one who recommended putting tsclient in the task before.) Sure, but that was before vinagre was integrated :) > vinagre is being pulled in via g-d-e already.. > > I think we could live without RDP support. Or we could leave both > installed; tsclient's menu entry says "Terminal Services Client", which > is just what people looking to connect to a windows machine will look > for, and everyone else can use vinagre. Yes, it’s not as if tsclient was that big. > > * network-manager-gnome: I think we should at least recommend this > > one. > > There's no right choice about this peice of software.. > > > * bluez-gnome: same as NM. > > If we had a gnome-laptop task, we'd put this there, rather than > gnome-desktop. Bluetooth is just as suitable for desktops, especially this obex applet. The one that’s for laptops is NM, actually. > > * xsane: probably something that should be added to gnome-office. > > There's no better scanner program for gnome is there? There’s gnome-scan but it is still under development, and it is not yet packaged into Debian. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `' We will add your hardware and software distinctiveness to `- our own. Resistance is futile.
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