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From: David Cary <d.cary+2004@ieee.org>
Subject: Debian-Installer is working
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Package: installation-reports

Debian-installer-version:
   http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/
   http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
   both downloaded 2004-12-09

uname -a: Linux compaqdebian 2.4.27-1-686 #1 Fri Sep 3 06:28:00 UTC 2004 
i686 GNU/Linux
Date: 2004-12-09; ~10 am CST for boot floppies; 2004-12-12 for network install
Method:
   Booted off floppies, then did network install from "debian.midco.net".
   Cable modem, No proxy.

Machine: "Compaq ProSignia 200" is on the nameplate.
Processor: PII/233
Memory: 64 MB RAM
Root Device: 2 GB SCSI hard drive /dev/sda
Root Size/partition table:
   sda1      41 MB Compaq diagnostics
   sda2     1.9 GB ext3 [/]
   sda5     123 MB swap

Output of lspci and lspci -n:

0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440FX - 82441FX PMC [Natoma] (rev 02)
0000:00:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5446
0000:00:0c.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c875 (rev 04)
0000:00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]
0000:00:10.0 Network controller: Compaq Computer Corporation Integrated 
NetFlex-3/P (rev 10)
0000:00:14.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371SB PIIX3 ISA [Natoma/Triton II] 
(rev 01)
0000:00:14.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II]

0000:00:00.0 0600: 8086:1237 (rev 02)
0000:00:0b.0 0300: 1013:00b8
0000:00:0c.0 0100: 1000:000f (rev 04)
0000:00:0d.0 0200: 10b7:9050
0000:00:10.0 0280: 0e11:ae35 (rev 10)
0000:00:14.0 0601: 8086:7000 (rev 01)
0000:00:14.1 0101: 8086:7010

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot worked:    [O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network:         [O]
Detect CD:              [ ]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives:     [E]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:    [O]
Mount partitions:       [O]
Install base system:    [O]
Install boot loader:    [O]
Reboot:                 [O]

Comments/Problems:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/report-template

---- can't find hard drive:
Page
   http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status
says the latest floppy installer is:
   i386 floppy Working
   http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/

The "i386 floppy Working" *seems* to work for a while, but then
I get the scary red error message:
   Detecting disks and all other hardware
   [?] Detect hardware
   Error while running 'modprobe -v tlan'
   ...
   Error while running 'modprobe -v generic'
   ...
   Error while running 'modprobe -v ide-disk'
   ...
and a bunch of other pieces of hardware, finally ending with
   No partitionable media were found.
.

Work-around:
I return to
   http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status
and use
   i386 floppy rc2
   http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/

This "i386 floppy rc2" works great -- it found my SCSI drive without any 
errors.


---- little documentation nit-picks:
The chapters seemed slightly out of order for people who do net-install:
first I do
     Chapter 5 - Booting the Installation System
     http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html
, then I skip ahead to
     Chapter 7 - Installing the Kernel and Base Operating System
     http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-install-system.en.html#s-install-os-netfetch
(which has the odd phrase
"...this sentence isn't finished...".
), then I return to
     Chapter 6 - Partitioning for Debian
     http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-partitioning.en.html


---- wish installer were smarter
When I tell apt configuration to use
   ftp debian.midco.net
I get the error message:
   Failed to fetch
   ftp://debian.midco.net/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
   Could not connect to debian.midco.net:21 (24.220.0.37).
   - connect (111 Connection refused) Failed to fetch

But when I tell it to use
     http debian.midco.net
it works just fine.

I wish the installer was smart enough to
automatically try both http and ftp, and use whichever one worked best.


---- want more educational menus
When I get to the menu

   Debian Software Selection:
   Choose software to install:
   [ ] Desktop
   [ ] Web server
   [ ] Print server
   [ ] DNS server
   [ ] File server
   [ ] Mail server
   [ ] SQL database
   [ ] manual package selection.

I wish it told me how to get back to this menu.
(Later I find out: run the "base-config" or "tasksel" program).
Yes, it's in the manual, but it would be nice on-screen as well.


---- a bit of confusion on how much space is needed
When I choose
   * Desktop environment
It churns for a long time "Selecting" and "Unpacking" stuff.

Then it says:
   ...: No space left on device.
Yes,
   df
tells me
   /dev/sda2
     1K-blocks: 1769034
     Use%: 100%
Yes, no space left.

The manual
   "3.5 Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirements"
   http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-mmhr
claims that I only need 1 GB for "Minimum System ... With Desktop".
I have about 1.7 GB here, which I thought would be adequate.
(Actually, I thought I had 1.9 GB on the "/" partition ...
Does ext3 really use over 10% of the drive for "overhead", leaving less 
than 90% for data blocks ?).

I assumed that what the manual calls
   "Minimum System ... With Desktop"
was the *same* as the
   * Desktop environment
option inside "tasksel".

I guess I should be happy that you have added a bunch of stuff to the 
"Desktop environment" since the manual was written. But the manual needs to 
be updated to reflect that.


-- 
David Cary


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On Wednesday 15 December 2004 02:36, David Cary wrote:
> Comments/Problems:
> The "i386 floppy Working" *seems* to work for a while, but then
> I get the scary red error message:

This is probably due to a known issue with the daily builds that is 
already being worked on.

> I return to
>    http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status
> and use
>    i386 floppy rc2

Yes, these floppies would be expected to work in your situation.

> ---- little documentation nit-picks:
> The chapters seemed slightly out of order for people who do
> net-install: first I do
>      Chapter 5 - Booting the Installation System
>      http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html

Hmm. You have been reading the old installation manual for Woody. A 
working version for the manual that goes with the new installer can be 
found on http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/

The space requirements have also been updated in this version.

Your other comments are minor usability issues that have been suggested 
before, but that we can not do anything about at this stage in the 
release process. However, we will keep them in the back of our minds.

Closing the report as the installation was successful. Thank you for 
submitting your report.

Cheers,
FJP



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