Bug#269529: OldWorld pmac installation -- several problems
powerpc businesscard 20040829 OldWorld PowerMac
Debian-installer-version: <Fill in date and from where you got the image>
Index of /pub/cdimage-testing/daily/powerpc/current
Name Last modified Size Description
Parent Directory 29-Aug-2004 00:21 -
MD5SUMS 29-Aug-2004 00:21 1k
>>>> sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso 29-Aug-2004 00:19 141M
sarge-powerpc-netinst.iso 29-Aug-2004 00:21 298M
Apache/1.3.31 Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 80
uname -a: <The result of running uname -a on a shell prompt>
Linux dillserver 2.6.7-powerpc #1 Thu Aug 5 23:48:59 CEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux
Date: <Date and time of the install>
4 AM (UTC) 2004-09-01
How did you install?
What did you boot off?
MacOS-9 via BootX
If network install, from where?
#deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ sarge main
deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main
deb-src http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ testing main
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main
deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main
deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
Machine: <Description of machine (eg, IBM Thinkpad R32)>
processor : 0
cpu : 603ev
clock : 225MHz
revision : 2.1 (pvr 0007 0201)
bogomips : 148.99
machine : Power Macintosh
motherboard : AAPL,e411 MacRISC
detected as : 36 (Gazelle)
pmac flags : 00000000
memory : 128MB
pmac-generation : OldWorld
Root Device: <IDE? SCSI? Name of device?>
Root Size/partition table: Feel free to paste the full partition
table, with notes on which partitions are mounted where.
The root is on hda11, swap is on hda7.
The sda disk is present but unused in this installation.
The rest of the hda disk (particularly the hda9 "Apple_Bootstrap" partition) is unused
in this installation.
# type name length base ( size ) system
/dev/hda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map
/dev/hda2 Apple_Driver_ATA Macintosh 54 @ 64 ( 27.0k) Unknown
/dev/hda3 Apple_Driver_ATA Macintosh 74 @ 118 ( 37.0k) Unknown
/dev/hda4 Apple_Driver_IOKit Macintosh 512 @ 192 (256.0k) Unknown
/dev/hda5 Apple_Patches Patch Partition 512 @ 704 (256.0k) Unknown
/dev/hda6 Apple_HFS untitled 1024000 @ 1216 (500.0M) HFS
/dev/hda7 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap 500001 @ 1025216 (244.1M) Linux swap
/dev/hda8 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 root-8 19531251 @ 1525217 ( 9.3G) Linux native
/dev/hda9 Apple_Bootstrap boot 1954 @ 21056468 (977.0k) NewWorld bootblock
/dev/hda10 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 root 19531251 @ 21058422 ( 9.3G) Linux native
/dev/hda11 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 root-11 19531251 @ 40589673 ( 9.3G) Linux native
/dev/hda12 Apple_Free Extra 100715556 @ 60120924 ( 48.0G) Free space
Block size=512, Number of Blocks=160836480
1: @ 64 for 21, type=0x701
2: @ 118 for 34, type=0xf8ff
# type name length base ( size ) system
/dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map Apple 63 @ 1 ( 31.5k) Partition map
/dev/sda2 Apple_Driver43 Macintosh 54 @ 64 ( 27.0k) Driver 4.3
/dev/sda3 Apple_Driver43 Macintosh 74 @ 118 ( 37.0k) Driver 4.3
/dev/sda4 Apple_Driver_IOKit Macintosh 512 @ 192 (256.0k) Unknown
/dev/sda5 Apple_Patches Patch Partition 512 @ 704 (256.0k) Unknown
/dev/sda6 Apple_HFS untitled 1024000 @ 1216 (500.0M) HFS
/dev/sda7 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 root 6291456 @ 1025216 ( 3.0G) Linux native
/dev/sda8 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 swap 1126920 @ 7316672 (550.3M) Linux swap
Block size=512, Number of Blocks=8443591
1: @ 64 for 23, type=0x1
2: @ 118 for 36, type=0xffff
Output of lspci and lspci -n:
0000:00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. Bandit PowerPC host bridge (rev 03)
0000:00:10.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. O'Hare I/O (rev 01)
0000:00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21041 [Tulip Pass 3] (rev 21)
0000:00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage I/II 215GT [Mach64 GT] (rev 41)
0000:00:0b.0 0600: 106b:0001 (rev 03)
0000:00:10.0 ff00: 106b:0007 (rev 01)
0000:00:11.0 0200: 1011:0014 (rev 21)
0000:00:12.0 0300: 1002:4754 (rev 41)
Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Initial boot worked: [o] Note 0 and 1
Configure network HW: [e] Note 2
Config network: [o] Note 2
Detect CD: [e] Note 3
Load installer modules: [o]
Detect hard drives: [e] Note 3
Partition hard drives: [o] Note 0 and 4
Create file systems: [o]
Mount partitions: [o]
Install base system: [o] Note 5 and 7
Install boot loader: [ ] Note 0
Reboot: [e] Note 3 and 6
<Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments
and ideas you had during the initial install.>
I used MacOS-9 and the BootX boot loader. I skipped the "install boot
loader" phase of d-i, as a consequence.
Because of the need to preserve the MacOS-9 partition on the disk, I
used the manual partition option in the Partition Hard Drive phase.
During the language/keyboard choice phase, I took all the defaults
(Language->English, Region->UnitedStates, KeyboardType->USB) until it
came to the Keymap choice. There the default was "European". This is
*not* what I expected -- or what was the default behavior in the past!
Having done everything possible to indicate that I was in the USA and
speaking English, I would have expected the default keymap to be
A serious violation of the principle of least astonishment.
In spite of what lspci says about the ethernet chip being a "Tulip",
it seems to much prefer the "d4x5" driver. I can find nothing in the
output of lspci or in the /proc/device-tree structure that would give
a clue that this is the case. Does anybody know what the difference
between the two drivers is?
In any case, the network initial configuration phases tried to load
the "tulip" driver, but failed to activate the interface with that
driver, so I had to chose the d4x5 driver manually from the fall-back
list of network drivers.
I successfully configured the network addresses/names/etc manually.
That part seems to have been fixed.
The CD-rom drive is on the apple "mesh" scsi controller. I had go to
the F2 console and manually "modprobe mesh" to get it to recognize the
CD-ROM drive and the SCSI disk. Because the mesh driver module was
loaded behind d-i's back (so to speak), d-i didn't know about it, and
as a result, "mesh" wasn't present in /etc/modules after the reboot.
Many oldworld PowerMac's have the "mesh" scsi controller as their
*only* (and in any case *primary*) mass-storage interface. Failure to
load the mesh driver module will make it impossible for inexperienced
users to install Debian on their machines. It seems to me that the
mesh driver should be loaded by default on *all* oldworld PowerMac
The partitioner seems to default to putting the "noatime" attribute on
new ext3 partitions. This is a violation of the principle of least
astonishment. The default should be standard UNIX behavior!
For reasons I don't entirely understand, wget does not recover well
from occasional dropped packets, so it times-out and fails during the
"install base system" phase. Retrying the phase works (usually,
barring another dropped packet). This is a common enough problem that
it would seem a good idea to automatically re-try a failing wget a few
times before giving up and bugging the user.
Prior to the reboot, I tried to "Save debug logs" to a floppy disk.
It failed because "No floppy device was found". The oldworld Macs all
use the "swim3" floppy controller.
Attempting to manually "modprobe floppy" from the F2 console gives the
FATAL: Error inserting floppy
Device or resource busy
Interestingly, floppy.ko has date "Jan 1 1970". All other modules in
that directory have date "Aug 26 14:53". Strange...
The default kernel that is offered in the base install phase is 2.6.7,
even though the d-i is running under the 2.6.8 kernel. When I
manually chose to install the 2.6.8 kernel, the reboot failed. It
hung very early in the boot process -- before the Tux Penguin image
was supposed to appear at the top of the screen.
I had to go back and re-do the install and accept the default 2.6.7
kernel. Very strange!
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