Re: network installer uses HTTP instead of FTP to load base2_2.tgz
On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 01:43:22PM -0500 , Ron Flory wrote:
> Ok guys, this is getting out of hand, and is turning into a flame,
> which is something I would really prefer to avoid.
hmm. I hope I don't flame. At least compared to the other threads :))
> Petr Cech wrote:
> > > split the base2_2.tgz file into small enough chunks to fit on
> > > floppies.
> >
> > why manualy? There are already split on the mirror
>
> the files may be broken up, but some poor human has to sit there and
> feed disks into the drive, one by one. Its not the method I'd
> recommend.
I didn't say, it was a recommended way, only that it's prepared, iff someone
wants to do it that way.
> > > I do have an issue with inconstant means of downloading necessary
> > > files during an install. http is simply a bad choice for dozens of
> > > reasons.
> >
> > inconsistant? I'd say installing all from http is not inconsistent.
>
> it is inconsistent in that part of the network install uses http,
> whereas the rest uses ftp.
1) boot-floppies support only HTTP, NFS, floppies, cdrom, disk or mounted
media. If you want to add support for FTP and can fit it in say 10kB,
you're welcome to do it.
2) apt is configured by you. If you choose to use FTP and not HTTP it's your
choice.
> > > Forcing the user to provide http accessible file instead of simply
> > > accessing the base2_2.tgz file via anonymous and/or non-anonymous FTP
> > > is curiously over-restrictive. Why?
> >
> > If a user can setup a ftp mirror, that surely he can
>
> a 1-line wget command will mirror Debian. no big deal.
OK. And one command to do a ln -s into WWW dir. No big deal. BTW why mirror
it, when you have net access?
> > > Again, I know how to work around the issue for myself, however I can
> > > easily imagine many users at home, or at school who would do this.
> > and I can imagine what a sysadmin would do to a user with a potato
> > mirror in his home dir
>
> Thats not the point. Sure, this done all the time at universities for
> class projects, with sysadmin encouragement (the instructor).
And what does this tell us? That you are not a normal user, who would download
base from a Debian mirror via HTTP, but s/o with a mirror in his homedir. I'm
sure many people can access it.
(oh. that was a FLAME)
> my whole point is this, "hey, without making a lot of extra work for
> the developers, lets make installation sensible and easy as possible".
it seems you are not getting, how Debian works. It's documented, that FTP is
NOT supported for instalation from b-f. And as I said, write a small program,
which can download a file from an FTP server and the installation will support
this.
> Its already 95% of the way there.
Petr Cech
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