Re: Bug#758116: Allow to select Blends selection during installation - just "DE", "Web server", "Mail server" is NOT enough

[Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu>]

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 09:41:54AM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote:
> I agree that the best compromise would probably be to have a separate
> page "Debian Pure Blends". But someone should implement this -- any
> volunteers? I myself don't have enough Perl knowledge to do this.

I agree that this would be the best solution but me neither have the
needed Perl skills.
 
> In my opinion, the situation for the Debian Pure Blends is better here
> than for the Desktop environments: If a user doesn't know what the
> Blends mean, he just ignores it and doesn't install anything from it.
> This will cause no harm -- he will just not get something he anyway
> doesn't know about.

+1

> > That leaves us with the idea of a "Debian Blends" choice in the
> > standard task menu, which would lead to a dedicated "blends" menu. I
> > think this is the best compromise to do, provided we find a good name
> > for the menu entry : "Debian Blends" or "Debian pure Blends" is a
> > great name for the project in its entirety...but probably not for the
> > menu entry. Again, because it means nothing to Joe User.
> > 
> > So, with something like "Special-purpose packages" or "Specialized 
> > installations" or whatever along those lines, *then* a menu with the 
> > Blends list (unsorted) and the possibility of going back just in
> > case people see the list and think "heck, I have no idea about what
> > this stuff is about"....then I'd say this is the way to go.
> > 
> 
> I personally don't have problems with changing this; however this would
> open again the discussion about the names -- IMO we should be consistent
> here. We can't call them "Specialized Installations" in the installer,
> but "Debian Pure Blends" on the web page. Renaming would have a tail of
> renaming it everywhere.

I've experienced (and suffered from all the according work) two renames
(Debian Internal Projects -> Custom Debian Distributions -> Debian Pure
Blends).  I'm not up for another name change.

> So, I would propose to explain the name and the concept in the
> installer. There is already some text in the debian-blends-tasks.desc
> that would help to explain it -- it should just be displayed. Again, it
> would help much if tasksel would be able to display the help texts that
> are already there, and IMO if the programming efforts are limited, we
> would gain more in implementing help texts instead of separating the
> blends from the desktop environments.

... specifically since most Blends somehow are a "desktop environment"
for some wider definition of desktop environment which does not know
the answers Gnome, XFCE, KDE, etc.

Kind regards 

        Andreas.

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