Hi Luke, On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:06:27AM +0000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > sorry, markos - and again, apologies to all, but i am actually now > getting deeply concerned. > allow me to ask you this, markos. why, if someone says, "i have an > idea that could help you, and could help the debian project in > general, it's complex, it's been misunderstood frequently in the past > (not necessarily by you, personally and specifically), but i'd like to > re-iterate in the context of this discussion how that idea may help", > would you then say "your whole idea's s**t"? :) > to illustrate, with some questions, why i am concerned at the response received: > * are you, markos, pleased to be the sole exclusive developer on the > armhf project, such that you wish to retain complete control of it > until such time as it is finished? > * are you, markos, *wishing* to impose stress and pressure onto debian > developers, specifically the dpkg team? I think you are working from a buggy assumption here. The problem is not that infrastructure is lacking to let Konstantinos et al. get on with making an armhf port out of the Debian archive; the problem is that they are currently blocked on getting armhf *into* the Debian archive, because that requires agreement with the dpkg maintainers about how dpkg should behave to recognize this new architecture. You may be right that a bitbake-compatible git repository is the absolute slickest way to nearly effortlessly maintain a delta against a distribution. But it doesn't actually matter if you're right about this, because "nearly effortless" is not "zero work", and it's *not* sustainable to carry a delta in the long term - which is why the (right) goal is to merge the armhf work into Debian so that there *isn't* a delta. Bitbake doesn't help with that goal; the only way to help that goal is to have the sometimes-difficult conversations with the Debian maintainers that let us arrive at a consensus about how these things should be put together. Which is what this thread is about. :) Thanks, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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