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Re: sarge3 kernel build & r3

Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl> writes:

> (Also replying to other mails about Sarge support in Etch installer)
> On Wednesday 07 June 2006 20:42, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl> writes:
>> I ment that when you select sarge in choose-mirror in expert mode you
>> get the inofficial list and if you choose etch/etch+1/sid you get the
>> official one.
> Ah, OK.
> The Etch installer currently has extremely basic support for Sarge 
> installations which has only really been tested for i386. The real 
> downside of using the Etch installer for Sarge is that, although a 
> current kernel will be used for the installation, it will still install 
> 2.6.8 for the target system (it does not use any backports).
> This means that there is a relatively high chance that the user will 
> experience problems on the reboot into the target system.

Basicaly 100% since the user would/should have used the sarge
installer if possible. But adding backports to the sources.list and
installing a newer kernel is easily explained in a HowTo and done by
the user on the fly. I don't think that this is a real show
stopper. One could think about adding backports to sources.list
automatically though if the testing installer is used to install

> I'm currently unsure if the udeb that adds Sarge support for the Etch 
> installer will make it into the final release of d-i for Etch. The main 
> reasons are:
> - increasing differences between the Sarge 2.6.8 and current kernels;

That is a reason for.

> - questionable usability of systems installed this way;

Hmm, what is questionable? A stable system with a fresher kernel is
totaly usable. A lot, if not the majority, of users do this.

> - Sarge support may be incompatible with changes needed to realize
>   persistent device naming for harddrives.

What changes are those? Is Debian finaly going to use LABEL= or UUID=
in the generated fstab?

Isn't that also just limited to kernel, udev and fstab? udev is also
available on backports so there should be no big problem there.

> If it does make it, there will be disclaimers shown to the user after 
> mirror selection to the effect that there is only limited support and not 
> to come complaining if there are problems on reboot.

Isn't it enough that you already need expert mode?

> To finally answer your question: I don't think we will offer the 
> unofficial AMD64 mirrors in the Etch installer in this case, if only 
> because the mirror selection happens _before_ the suite/codename is 
> selected.

That is a problem indeed.

> Cheers,


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