Well, it's not the optimiser. I'm guessing it's the stripping of the libs and/or binaries OR the evil libtool striking again. I really didn't want to revert the BFD changes in binutils before, but had to, so that may be causing the problem still (since the pure .15 of binutils made jade work good BEFORE the reverting of the BFD stuff..untested afterward due to compile bug). Anywho, I'm trying to eliminate the strip portion now... C