Re: What is the meaning of the word 'Debian'? (fwd)
Hi,
this is the answer I got from Ian Murdock today - I expected something
like this :-)
> Subject: Re: What is the meaning of the word 'Debian'?
>
> well, the subject says it all. I'm one of the persons currently
> working on a m68k version of Debian GNU/Linux, and I (like some
> other fellow hackers) was asking myself where this word comes
> from. As far as I remember, the FAQ doesn't explain it. Could you
> shed some light on this subject?
>
> It's simple, actually; my wife's name is Deb, and my name is Ian. :)
Frank
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-68k-request@Pixar.com> Tue Jan 30 13:44:30 1996
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> > Subject: Re: What is the meaning of the word 'Debian'?
> It's simple, actually; my wife's name is Deb, and my name is Ian. :)
Heh. Thanks for the info Frank. The old American addage comes to mind.
"Ask a silly question: get a silly answer." ;-)
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>From bdale Wed Jan 31 01:42:08 1996
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From: Bdale Garbee <bdale>
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To: jdassen
Subject: shells
Did you say you wanted to use csh instead of bash on master.debian.org? I
think so, but can't remember, and don't want to change it without knowing
for sure.
Bdale
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-68k-request@Pixar.com> Wed Jan 31 11:27:05 1996
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Subject: Minix V2 changes -> PC tree?
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Hi,
while working around under miscutils/ yesterday, I noticed that the
current PC kernel source does not yet contain Andreas' changes for the
Minix filesystem V2. Andreas, do you think you could convince whoever is
maintaining the PC kernel source (Linus himself?) to integrate
your changes?
Otherwise, the fsck.minix and mkfs.minix programs would have to use
yet another of these #ifdef __i386__ kludges to compile without changes
on both systems.
Right now I cannot tell anymore what changes to the kernel were necessary,
so I cannot create meaningful diff.
Frank
>From bdale Thu Feb 1 02:24:04 1996
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From: Bdale Garbee <bdale>
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To: jdassen, streeter
Subject: Apache on master.debian.org
Hi.
I've installed the Apache HTTP daemon on master.debian.org. If you use the URL
http://master.debian.org/
you get a polite "you probably really want to be somewhere else" page, with no
local links. However, I've created a symlink so that the URL
http://master.debian.org/web/
maps to the /ftp/web directory, so that this can be used to hit the root of
the web tree that you are building here that will eventually be mirrored by
www.debian.org.
Comments are welcome, I hope this meets your needs for testing.
Bdale
>From bdale Thu Feb 1 02:38:49 1996
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From: Bdale Garbee <bdale>
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To: jdassen, streeter
Subject: aha
I just chased my tail for a while trying to test the Apache stuff, until I
realized that the file /ftp/web/Lists-Archives/index.html had absolute paths
specified in it, instead of relative paths.
I presume this was done to ease the process of testing via ftp? In any case,
I whacked that one file to make things work so I could confirm that I had
the mapping to /ftp/web correct. The file index.html.orig is what was there,
index.html is the result of
sed -e 's#/ftp/web/Lists-Archives/##g'
Bdale
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Wed Feb 7 20:56:47 1996
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Subject: Re: More questions on smail configuration for SMTP/PPP
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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
>
> If you use pine, it can be done as outlined in the Linux Gazette article that
> I mentioned earlier, albeit at the price of a recompilation.
Heh. The reason I had to do that was a precompiled pine that didn't want to
let the MTA stick on the From field. I should probably get around to
reporting this as a bug.
> Elm anyone?
I don't think (debian's) elm puts on a from field.
I kinda remember hacking that out. Or something.
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Thu Feb 15 11:22:53 1996
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I have down loaded, the debian version of Linux and created the boot
and root disks. They start up fine, however when I attempt to set up a
partition, it cannot get the partition table information.
A little bit about my system, I have a 486 dx2 66 with a Vesa Local Bus
motherboard, on board ide and io ports, with the ide controller
disabled.
I have an eide card with its own bios installed to allow me to have
drive 0 being a 325 MB (with 2 partitions C, E) and Drive 1 being an 850
with one Dos Partition (500MB D). The rest of my drive 1 was to be set
up
for linux and the swap. When I request a display of the existing
partitions I get a blank screen. The EIDE Card I have is a Future
Domain.
Any Ideas ??
-- Donnie
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sat Feb 17 07:36:47 1996
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From: dhs@uu5.psi.com (David H. Silber)
Subject: Re: Bug#2341: Install problems
To: bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 07:49:30 -0500 (EST)
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> Subject: Re: Bug#2341: Install problems
>
> Did you use Ctrl-Alt-Del to reboot, or did you reboot from the menu?
> The current boot floppy doesn't understand Ctrl-Alt-Del. The new one
> will.
>From the menu.
> Bruce
> --
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Love the .sig.
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Sun Feb 18 16:20:43 1996
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Subject: Re: bug reports in ftp area now compressed ...
To: ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:42:45 -0600 (CST)
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Ian Jackson writes:
>
> Carl V. Streeter writes ("Re: bug reports in ftp area now compressed ..."):
> > Kai Henningsen writes:
> > > Well, the main reason I told my (private) mirror not to get the bug
> > > reports was that they seem to always change their dates even without any
> > > obvious change in content.
> >
> > Hmm.. I just looked at the ones on master, and it looks like the only
> > ones which changed are ones with new info.
> >
> > Although, the whole thing will turn over once a week, or sooner if
> > catastrophic failure.
>
> How about having it compare the files before installing each new one ?
I could certainly diff 'em, but the CPU load on poor master will certainly
increase. Or maybe not with less html2ascii calls. Hmmm...
OK, I'm convinced that it will even out. The bug reports FTP area
should now be more "mirror friendly" for anyone who cares (and anyone who
doesn't)
> > > I'd like to have a local copy of the bug reports, but not at this price!
>
> The bug reports will change a lot, because they are actually
> continually being updated.
Now if only they were continually closed ;)
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>From bdale@chunks.gag.com Tue Feb 20 09:34:55 1996
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I've fixed the permissions of the files in debian/debian-lists to all be 664.
The latest ones seem to have been created as 600. I'll cc jdassen on this so
that a long-term fix to ensure they don't keep getting broken can be
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Bdale
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On 20-Feb-96 Bdale Garbee wrote:
> > I've fixed the permissions of the files in debian/debian-lists to all be 664
>.
> The latest ones seem to have been created as 600. I'll cc jdassen on this so
> that a long-term fix to ensure they don't keep getting broken can be
> investigated.
>
> Bdale
Umask in some process, .profile, .login, the default for ftpd, etc.
Sincerely Yours,
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Wed Feb 21 11:19:06 1996
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Subject: Re: Files still 550 on ftp.debian.org...
To: mbailey@cps.cmich.edu (Matthew Bailey)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:17:39 -0600 (CST)
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Matthew Bailey writes:
>
> Yes I am mirroring file permissions from master so If master is screwed
> up I am screwed up :)
Master is fine ;)
> Would someone please chmod -R 644 the tree on master I will get the new
> permissions on the next update.
They've been fine for a day and a half ;)
For example, one of the problems is with emacs:
on ftp.debian.org:
-rw-rw---- 1 root wheel 4796846 Feb 12 23:13 emacs-19.29-11.deb
on master:
-r--r--r-- 1 bruce debian 4796846 Feb 12 16:13 emacs-19.29-11.deb
It's been that way for the 2 days I've been managing the archive ;)
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sat Mar 2 06:44:21 1996
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Hello,
i just uploaded the initial release of vlock(1) to master.
It is for i386/ELF and should go into the base category (it is at least
helpful to be able to lock the console while in single-user mode ...)
Dominik
-------
Date: 01 Mar 96 14:53 UT
Source: vlock
Binary: vlock
Version: 0.8-1
Description:
vlock: Virtual console locking utility.
Priority: Low
Changes: Initial release (i386).
Files:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18060 Mar 1 15:37 vlock-0.8-1.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1591 Mar 1 15:37 vlock-0.8-1.diff.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7649 Mar 1 15:37 vlock-0.8-1.deb
03866e94365bfb94570adf6f88b8134b vlock-0.8-1.tar.gz
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From: Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels@cistron.nl>
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Subject: Re: A better miscutils
To: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:10:53 +0100 (MET)
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You (Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca) wrote:
> Guy Maor writes:
> Guy> I'm the maintainer of miscutils, a big and ugly package. Here's a
> Guy> proposal that I would like to implement.
> Guy>
> Guy> I will eliminate two packages - chfn and last.
>
> The last package I split from GNU acct is supposed to be replaced by a new
> binary that would come with sysvinit. Miquel van Smoorenburg once said he
> would do that but I haven't heard from him in a long time.
That's because I've been kicked off debian-devel :) The address used
was that of my personal workstation, and since it goes up and down a lot
some error messafes went back to debian-devel and some robot took me
off. I'll try to re-subscribe. Well at least I am on debian-private.
sysvinit-2.59 does contain a last and a mesg binary. It will be out
this weekend/beginning of next week. This last also supports hostname
lookups by the ut_addr field.
Who is going to maintain chfn? I changed the 1.0-4 version because it
didn't work with NIS. After a chfn I had the entire NIS password database
in my local /etc/passwd :) I'd like to send the patches to the (new?)
maintainer.
Mike.
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sat Mar 2 07:13:22 1996
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Subject: Re: Someone to maintain emacs [Now: www stuff]
To: branderhorst@fgg.eur.nl (Erick Branderhorst)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:12:03 +0100 (MET)
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> The devel archive is very large and no easy links to www.mirror.debian.org
> is provided (mirror being a european mirror). Perhaps this would
> be nice at the start page of www.debian.org.
It would be very nice, but unfortunately, there is no mirror for
www.debian.org yet. Any takers?
> Perhaps splitting the archives a little more would be preferable but
> difficult.
This is being worked at. In fact, it is working on master already.
> A nice search function might be a solution.
www.debian.org has a search function, accessible from the top page.
It is not functioning currently, due to a directory reorganization.
Greetings,
Ray
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Subject: Re: (PPP and diald) Question about startup files
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:53:37 +0100 (MET)
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Bruce Perens writes:
>
> You wanted an example of when PPP would be started by init. There are three.
> ...
I would like to know why PPP is killed and started when entering run level
two. Isn't it supposed to be started in 2-5 and killed in 0,1,6?
Michael
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sat Mar 2 07:26:00 1996
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Hi Miquel
Miquel> sysvinit-2.59 does contain a last and a mesg binary. It will be out
Miquel> this weekend/beginning of next week. This last also supports
Miquel> hostname lookups by the ut_addr field.
Excellent! Feel free to add
Conflicts: last
or whatever needed to de-install last. Feel free to (re-)use the last manpage
I scribbled from the .info material.
So I can now concentrate on acct which is easy as there seems to be no 1.3.x
kernel patch for accounting anyway :-/
Thanks,
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Subject: Re: A better miscutils
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You (Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca) wrote:
> Hi Miquel
>
> Miquel> sysvinit-2.59 does contain a last and a mesg binary. It will be out
> Miquel> this weekend/beginning of next week. This last also supports
> Miquel> hostname lookups by the ut_addr field.
>
> Excellent! Feel free to add
> Conflicts: last
> or whatever needed to de-install last. Feel free to (re-)use the last manpage
> I scribbled from the .info material.
Oh, it already has a manpage. But the Conflicts: line is a good
idea (though it will confuse a few people). Or is there a better way?
Mike.
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sat Mar 2 07:36:48 1996
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To: Kai Henningsen <kai@khms.westfalen.de>
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Subject: Re: emacs-19.30 and termcap problem
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens) wrote on 29.02.96 in
<m0tsH4X-0005zIC@mongo.pixar.com>: >
> > > Why does ncurses-term conflict? Does it need to be updated?
> >
> > No, ncurses-runtime needs to be replaced. The ncurses packages were
> > reorganized for ELF shared libraries, and ncurses-term depends on the new
> > packages that replaced ncurses-runtime.
>
> Umm ... the problem is that the replacement Provides: ncurses-runtime, so
> ncurses-term conflicts with the replacement as well!
>
> dpkg-1.1.0 didn't allow me to install the stuff without --forcing it.
There have been at least two bug reports on this already - one from me
and one more recently from Ian J. Hopefully Mike will sort it out soon.
Nikhil.
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> [...]
> I think the problem is that the old termcap file is not (and never was - I
> first noticed that in Slackware, I think) compatible with ncurses.
This reminds me of a problem I spotted ages ago. In my
/usr/lib/kbd/keytables/local.map (yes, I admit it is my own hack, but
this is from the original), I have the line
keycode 14 = Delete Delete
which makes the backspace key (next to `=') give `Delete'. Now, I think
the ncurses documentation says that this is a Linux bug and it should
really be C-h; however, when I tried this, backspace no longer worked in
emacs!
Has this been fixed? If not, any ideas? Of course, C-h in emacs is
`help' ...
Nikhil.
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Dominik Kubla wrote:
> I just uploaded the initial release of open(1) to master.debian.org
Great! I use it regularly on my system, having got it as part of
dynamic-vc
(ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/utils/console/dynamic-vc-1.1.tar.gz).
Would it be a good idea to have dynamic-vc as a whole as part of Debian?
Let me explain. On my system, there is only one respawning getty, on
/dev/tty1. If I want another login prompt on a fresh VC, I just type
alt+<up cursor>, and the cspawnd daemon catches the signal and opens the
VC. When I log out on that VC, I don't get another login prompt, instead
the VC stops being active and gets closed by cspawnd when it next checks
for dormant VC's (which it does every 10 minutes or so).
This saves having respawning gettys unnecessarilyk, and allows you to use
as many VC's as you like, allocating them dynamically. If you use
cspawnd(8) together with open(1), you get a powerful full-screen
`windowing' systtem.
On the other hand, maybe you guys just use X if you want that sort of
thing - it's not very conducive to Braille, though, so I have to find
something better :-).
Thoughts, anyone?
Nikhil.
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Package: watchdog
Version: 1.0
Maintainer: Michael Meskes <meskes@informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
Description: A software watchdog.
The watchdog program writes to /dev/watchdog every ten seconds. If the
device is open but not written to within a minute the machine will reboot.
Each write delays the reboot time another minute. The ability to reboot will
depend on the state of the machines and interrupts.
Depends: libc5
Sat Mar 2 11:23:20 MET 1996 Michael Meskes <meskes@informatik.rwth-aachen.de>
watchdog (1.0-1):
* Added postrm file
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Michael
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Richard Kettlewell writes:
>
> Bill Mitchell writes:
>
> [...]
> > For packages specific to the debian distribution or having no
> > upstream main- tainer, the debian revision number might be
> > arbitrarily set to 0 or 1.
>
> Why not simply not have a revision number at all, as with current
> practice?
I think packages that are maintained by the original maintainer should have a
revision field. I just updated my watchdog package. It is available on
tsx-11 (and maybe sunsite in the future) for non-Debian users, but I do
maintain the Debian package myself. The update was needed because the
package had no postrm file. This change is Debian related, so I move from
1.0 to 1.0-1. I don't like the idea of having to update my package version
for a change that is useless on non-Debian systems.
Michael
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Subject: Re: A better miscutils
To: maor@ece.utexas.edu (Guy Maor)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 15:43:34 +0100 (MET)
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Guy Maor writes:
> I will create three packages - fsutils, loginutils, and fdutils. The
> first two will be base packages. fdutils is already being maintained
> by Michael Meskes.
Sound good to me.
> Several programs will definitely be added - vipw, vigr, ipcs, ipcrm,
> and which. I am considering three other programs - hostid, namei, and
> whereis. Please give me your opinions on whether you think these three
> are important.
While I don't think these three are as important as the other programs you
mentioned I still would liek to have them. Well, in fact I do have them
since I converted from Slackware and Slackware does have them. Since they
combine for about 15K (+ man pages) I think we should add them even if they
are less important.
> The two new packages will make any future Debian upgrades, such as
> fdisk3.0 or shadow password support, much easier. All relevant
> programs are already grouped together.
That's really important IMO.
> I believe the new system to be much cleaner, but I may have overlooked
> something. Any input would be appreciated.
I like it.
Michael
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>>> For packages specific to the debian distribution or having no
>>> upstream main- tainer, the debian revision number might be
>>> arbitrarily set to 0 or 1.
>>
>>Why not simply not have a revision number at all, as with current
>>practice?
>
>I think packages that are maintained by the original maintainer
>should have a revision field. I just updated my watchdog package. It
>is available on tsx-11 (and maybe sunsite in the future) for
>non-Debian users, but I do maintain the Debian package myself. The
>update was needed because the package had no postrm file. This change
>is Debian related, so I move from 1.0 to 1.0-1. I don't like the idea
>of having to update my package version for a change that is useless
>on non-Debian systems.
Indeed - but that's a reason for making it *possible* to have a
revision number. I'm asking why Bill is (apparently) proposing to
*require* a revision field.
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Hi,
Carl Streeter wrote:
> > Oh, sure. Stupid me. By the way - is anyone at master going to set up
> > a cron job (or alike) that does the automatic creation of the Packages
> > file for m68k?
>
> Yep. You should get a Packages file (and maybe Contents) tonight (or so).
> I'll make sure that there are no errors with the auto generation. Having
> duplicate packages killed us for a while in the i386 tree.
Ok, I understand there cannot yet be any Packages file without .changes
files, but I hope this will change soon - as soon as the new dchanges
allows us to create meaningful .changes files on our architecture.
> Can someone check over the archive and make sure I didn't screw up anything
> obvious, that there are no packages missing, etc?
Just did so. There were a few mistakes/confusions:
devel/libdb1-1.85.2-5.deb should go into ../base
devel/libgxx-2.7.1-1.deb should be renamed to libg++27-2.7.1-1.deb
ncurses stuff: I didn't follow the different parts of ncurses packages
that were created in the last weeks, but the current condition under
m68k/ is somewhat wrong (duplicates). I guess if someone of us just
recompiles the current 1.9.8a-4 and uploads that, you could delete all
current ncurses* things under base/, devel/ and misc/ at that time,
before putting the new files in their place.
/private/m68k/Incoming contains a duplicate info-3.6-5.deb that already
is under doc/ - remove the former.
mail/pico-2.5-1.deb : move this to ../editors (directory needs to be created)
That's all I found at the moment. As I saw, you mixed together all archives,
but that's ok for now. We'll have to recompile some of them in their newer
form anyway, because the stuff Hartmut uploaded is a bit dated here
and there.
Thanks,
Frank
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Subject: Re: A better miscutils
To: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 17:00:46 +0100 (MET)
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Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
> So I can now concentrate on acct which is easy as there seems to be no 1.3.x
> kernel patch for accounting anyway :-/
In our kernels? Why? The accounting patches are always kept up-to-date, so
why aren't they included? They do not have to be compiled in, but they
should be in the source I think. If not isn't this a bug?
Michael
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Hi,
just uploaded these to Mainz, so they'll appear on master soon:
185781 Mar 2 16:37 m68k-dpkg-1.1.0.deb
692 Mar 2 17:17 m68k-dpkg-1.1.0.diffs
182401 Mar 2 16:34 m68k-dpkg-1.1.0.nondebbin.tar.gz
190898 Mar 1 16:49 m68k-e2fsprogs-1.01-3.deb
917 Mar 2 17:18 m68k-e2fsprogs-1.01-3.diffs
97681 Feb 29 16:37 m68k-ed-0.2-10.deb
3185 Mar 2 16:44 m68k-fdflush-1.0.0-0.deb
31190 Feb 29 16:57 m68k-mount-2.5-5.deb
11566 Feb 29 19:30 m68k-setserial-2.10-7.deb
These are still WITHOUT .changes files - sorry for that - but I'll add
those when the new dchanges is ready.
kbd-0.90 takes a little more time than I thought.
The .diffs for dpkg are only temporary and should probably never go into
the mainstream package; as far as the e2fsprogs diffs are concerned, I'll
see if they can be incorporated cleanly and then send them to Tytso.
Frank
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Packages: base, sysvinit
Version: 0.93.6-13,2.58-2
The actual base package conatins a file rc.local that is not executed during
the boot process. I tried to start a discussion about this problem a while
ago, but no decision was made. In my opinion a rc.local has to be started at
boot time to make local adjustments, e.g. a call to hdparm or floppycontrol
or the like.
Could we move the script (it's distributed in base as empty file) to
/etc/rc.boot?
Michael
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Subject: Re: Bug#2453: rc.local script is never executed
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You (Michael Meskes) wrote:
> Packages: base, sysvinit
> Version: 0.93.6-13,2.58-2
>
> The actual base package conatins a file rc.local that is not executed during
> the boot process. I tried to start a discussion about this problem a while
> ago, but no decision was made. In my opinion a rc.local has to be started at
> boot time to make local adjustments, e.g. a call to hdparm or floppycontrol
> or the like.
>
> Could we move the script (it's distributed in base as empty file) to
> /etc/rc.boot?
I think we should move all those files into a separate package. I have
been meaning to update some other rc files (like /etc/init.d/modules)
as well, but I can't since it isn't part of any package! It is just the
/etc/init.d/modules from the system on which the 3 base disks were
generated..
Some of the files from /etc/init.d are in sysvinit, others are nowhere..
should I move them into sysvinit or should we make a seperate package for
it? I'd be willing to maintain it..
Mike.
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> I would like to know why PPP is killed and started when entering run level
> two. Isn't it supposed to be started in 2-5 and killed in 0,1,6?
If it wasn't killed and one was already running, you might then have two
running. I think start-stop-daemon was supposed to take care of that.
I also have a hack in /etc/init.d/rc (look for "Temporary Feature" in that
file) to avoid the stop and then start again behavior - I think that's still
in the distributed version.
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Subject: Re: Bug#2453: rc.local script is never executed
To: miquels@cistron.nl (Miquel van Smoorenburg)
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> I think we should move all those files into a separate package. I have
> been meaning to update some other rc files (like /etc/init.d/modules)
> as well, but I can't since it isn't part of any package! It is just the
> /etc/init.d/modules from the system on which the 3 base disks were
> generated..
dpkg -S on my system tells me that /etc/init.d/modules is from the
modules package.
> Some of the files from /etc/init.d are in sysvinit, others are nowhere..
> should I move them into sysvinit or should we make a seperate package for
> it? I'd be willing to maintain it..
Virtually all files not under /usr/local and /home (or similar) should
belong to some package. Does anyone know of an easy way to list all
files that don't belong to any package?
David
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>>>>> "D" == David Engel <david@elo.ods.com> writes:
D> Virtually all files not under /usr/local and /home (or similar)
D> should belong to some package. Does anyone know of an easy way to
D> list all files that don't belong to any package?
There's dbackup (in one of the /debian/project subdirs I think) that's
designed to give you a lising of all the non-debian files that need to
be backed up. I don't think it's quite finished yet though.
I've tried to keep all the non-debianized stuff in /home, /usr/src or
/usr/local, but some things don't make that too easy. Right now I'm
fighting with Perl/Tk. It insists on setting up makefiles to install
to /usr/bin because perl is there. The PREFIX argument to MakeMaker's
supposed to override that, but it only works on the Makefile in
Perl/Tk's top level. Oh well, I guess I could make a package of
it, then the destination would be fine :>
--
Rob
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:
> [...]
> I think packages that are maintained by the original maintainer should have a
> revision field. I just updated my watchdog package. It is available on
> tsx-11 (and maybe sunsite in the future) for non-Debian users, but I do
> maintain the Debian package myself. The update was needed because the
> package had no postrm file. This change is Debian related, so I move from
> 1.0 to 1.0-1. I don't like the idea of having to update my package version
> for a change that is useless on non-Debian systems.
You raise a good point here. There is clearly a difference between a
package which is intended to be primarily for Debian (like dpkg &c), and
those which just happen to be maintained by the same person (like your
watchdog package). I would suggest that the latter should have a
revision field like all other packages - after all, the maintainer of the
Debian package could change, and having to change the version number
format just because the maintainer has changed seems messy to me (as well
as the reason which you point out).
Personally, I'm in favour of not making revision numbers mandatory for
Debian-only packages, the former group I mentioned above; you can always
use a patchlevel in the normal way, e.g. dpkg-1.1.0 .
Nikhil.
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All files have been uploaded to master.debian.org/private/project/Incoming.
This release repairs the postinst error in the pine install. I also added
a source reference in pico because of the difference in version number.
Date: 02 Mar 96 19:07 UT
Source: pine
Binary: pine pico
Version: 3.91-5
Description:
pine: An e-mail reader with MIME and IMAP support.
pico: Easy-to-use text editor found in Pine.
Priority: Low
Changes: Fixed postinst to create /etc/news when not present. Added Source: pine-3.91 to the Pico control file.
Files:
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3072404 Mar 2 12:45 pine-3.91-5.tar.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 487359 Mar 2 12:48 pine-3.91-5.diff.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 956664 Mar 2 12:44 pine-3.91-5.deb
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Frank Neumann writes:
>
> Ok, I understand there cannot yet be any Packages file without .changes
> files, but I hope this will change soon - as soon as the new dchanges
> allows us to create meaningful .changes files on our architecture.
Not really-- there can't be any Packages file until the archive is consistent.
Right now there were 2 copies of each of the ncurses packages ;)
I'll see what else might break now.
> Just did so. There were a few mistakes/confusions:
> devel/libdb1-1.85.2-5.deb should go into ../base
> devel/libgxx-2.7.1-1.deb should be renamed to libg++27-2.7.1-1.deb
Hey, If all I screwed up were this, pico, and ncurses, I don't think I did all
that bad considering the amount of stuff I threw in ;)
> As I saw, you mixed together all archives,
> but that's ok for now.
?? I'm not understanding the part about mixing together all archives.
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Hi,
Carl wrote:
[..]
> Hey, If all I screwed up were this, pico, and ncurses, I don't think I did all
> that bad considering the amount of stuff I threw in ;)
Oh, sure. Thanks a lot for what you did. Must have been pretty confusing
at times. :-)
> > As I saw, you mixed together all archives,
> > but that's ok for now.
>
> ?? I'm not understanding the part about mixing together all archives.
There were both .deb and .tar.gz files in the Incoming directory - Dominik
wrote something that the .tar.gz files (one for each directory -
base.tar.gz, devel.tar.gz etc.) would be deleted, but this was obviously
not done.
Frank
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Michael Meskes writes:
Michael> Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca writes:
Dirk> So I can now concentrate on acct which is easy as there seems to be
Dirk> no 1.3.x kernel patch for accounting anyway :-/
Michael> In our kernels? Why? The accounting patches are always kept
Michael> up-to-date, so why aren't they included?
Where did you see them? Last time I looked on tsx-11 I only found outdated
stuff. Could you give me a pointer?
Dirk> They do not have to be compiled in, but they should be in the source
Dirk> I think. If not isn't this a bug?
I absolutely agree. Simon?
PS to Michael: I tried four times to mail you directly, but mail bounced from
informatik.rwth-aachen.de and circe.informatik.rwth-aachen.de.
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David Engel <david@elo.ods.com> writes:
>I don't see what's wrong with using libncurses.so.3.0. We are using
>it for Debian and haven't had any problems.
Well, it's a bit prettier to only have one numerical component in the
soname. I agree that this is not a major concern, just something that
ought to be changed _if_ we diverge.
>The problem with using termcap is that some programs will use
>/etc/termcap and others will use /usr/lib/terminfo. I'd rather see
>effort put into fixing the termcap emulation bugs in ncurses rather
>than into maintaining and perpetuating termcap.
I'd echo this.
>Debian already *has* standardized on ncurses. Of course, if Zeyd or
>whomever starts changing the ABI willy nilly without concern for
>backwards compatibility, we will probably consider maintaining our own
>version.
(tongue in cheek) You say `starts', I say `continues'. Let's call the
whole thing off :-)
If Zeyd is going to stick with libncurses.so.3.0 for a goodly length
of time, then I agree there's no point in diverging. I suggested a
split because the impression I get is that ncurses developers are
quite sanguine about bopping the soname every time it might be
needed. I'm not saying that they're not concerned about backward
compatibility, but they don't seem to be going through the contortions
that the linux-gcc list are considering to avoid going to libc.so.6
I'd also ask what debian plan to do if/when libc.so.6 is released. Do
you have a plan for this, or are you going leave that bridge uncrossed
until you come to it?
Daniel
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Every time I try to entire a document that uses java I get the error,
Unable to start java applet: Can't find "moz2_0.zip" in your CLASSPATH.
Read the release notes and install "moz2_0.zip" properly before
restarting.
Current value of CLASSPATH:
(null)
I have looked in the netscape directory and there is a file called
moz2_0.zip and I have unziped the file which created a directory called
java with a whole bunch of files. Can anybody help?? Thanks,
Mark
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What is to stop someone from putting a java applet on their home page that,
when run, deletes everything it can on the local hard drive?
Steve
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>>>>> "E" == Eternal <mtoleric@vt.edu> writes:
Netscape expects the moz file to be in one of a particular set of
places. You can find out where by downloading the netscape package,
untarring it, and looking at the readme. I can't recall the
acceptable locations off the top of my head. If you're using the
Debian netscape package, and it didn't put moz in one of the expected
locations, then you should probably report it a bug.
E> I have looked in the netscape directory and there is a file called
E> moz2_0.zip and I have unziped the file which created a directory
E> called java with a whole bunch of files. Can anybody help??
You don't need to unzip this file. Netscape claims to be able to use
it even though it's zipped.
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Java has built in blocks that keeps a program from doing any harm to your
system. I suppose someone could still find some way to do something
(perhaps crashing your computer), but I don't think anything permanent
could be done.
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Stephen Masterman wrote:
> What is to stop someone from putting a java applet on their home page that,
> when run, deletes everything it can on the local hard drive?
>
> Steve
>
>
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to run java applets under netscape 2.0 you'll need to move the file
moz2_0.zip to the /usr/local/netscape/java/classes directory.
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Hi.
Do you plan to put diald-0.12 into debian-0.93?
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> to run java applets under netscape 2.0 you'll need to move the file
> moz2_0.zip to the /usr/local/netscape/java/classes directory.
> -Sujay D'souza
Not completely correct, having moz2_0.zip in /usr/local/lib/netscape
works as well. I prefer this, because it sort of complies to the
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Stephen Masterman wrote:
> What is to stop someone from putting a java applet on their home page that,
> when run, deletes everything it can on the local hard drive?
>
> Steve
>
Java has built in blocks that keeps a program from doing any harm to your
system. I suppose someone could still find some way to do something
(perhaps crashing your computer), but I don't think anything permanent
could be done.
Does this mean that a program written in java can not do file i/o?
Otherwise, how could the VM know that it was doing "harm" as opposed to
some necessary file manipulation?
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Hello Everyone,
After a couple of months of lurking on the list I finally setup 0.93
on my AMD DX4120 w/ 8 MB at home. It's great!
Some questions:
When I use pppd (usually launched by diald), I seem to get almost constant
disk hits for each keystroke in a telnet session. Is there a way to make
this better? (Ummm, besides more SIMMS, I want 'em but it'll be a coupla
months).
fuser doesn't seem to work for me at all. If I use fuser /dev/ttyS1
during a PPP connection (and the modem is on that port) shouldn't I
get something returned? It didn't work for the file open by syslogd
either.
Thanks - this is a great project!
_____________________________________________________________________
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'Carl V Streeter wrote:'
>
>brian writes:
>>
>> I think having /bin/perl is a good idea. Suppose somebody wants to
>> write a perl scrip for rc.boot or something. If perl is a required
>> script processor for the Debian system (and I'm glad it is), then I
>> think it should be available at all times.
/etc/init.d/boot mounts all the filesystems. So /usr/bin/* are
available once /etc/init.d/boot is finished and guess which script is
run first at bootup? /etc/init.d/boot, of course. I still see no need
for perl in /bin.
>I guess between this and Richard K's point of having a general purpose
>scripting tool available for recovering a messed up system, it's worth
>another 200k on the boot partition. Especially if I ever needed it ;)
I disagree. I mean some like awk, others python. So where would the
bloat in /bin end if everyone got to have their favorite tools in
/bin? I think FSSTND says only /required/ tools belong in /bin.
Moreover, we already have a general purpose scripting tool available,
/bin/bash.
Furthermore, perl needs /usr/lib anyway:
$ ldd /usr/bin/perl
libgdbm.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.1.7.3
libdb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libdb.so.1.85.2
libdl.so.1 => /lib/libdl.so.1.7.14
libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5.0.5
libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5.2.18
So it will be more than 200k that needs to move around
$ ls -l /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.1.7.3 /usr/lib/libdb.so.1.85.2 /usr/bin/perl
-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 465952 Feb 6 20:31 /usr/bin/perl
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65153 Dec 20 10:31 /usr/lib/libdb.so.1.85.2
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24716 Dec 20 10:23 /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.1.7.3
So it's >500k to meet this proposal.
If you want perl on a rescue floppy, fine. But, please keep it out of
/bin.
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Don Gaffney wrote:
> When I use pppd (usually launched by diald), I seem to get almost constant
> disk hits for each keystroke in a telnet session. Is there a way to make
> this better? (Ummm, besides more SIMMS, I want 'em but it'll be a coupla
> months).
That's definitely wrong. pppd doesn't have to wake up for each packet
sent, unless you have very strange options set. Not having 'asyncmap
0' might be a cause. What's in your /etc/ppp/options ?
> fuser doesn't seem to work for me at all. If I use fuser /dev/ttyS1
> during a PPP connection (and the modem is on that port) shouldn't I
> get something returned? It didn't work for the file open by syslogd
> either.
femto[~]$ fuser -v /dev/modem
femto[~]$ fuser -v /var/log/*.log
femto[~]$ su -
Password:
RoOt@femto[~]$ fuser -v /dev/modem
USER PID ACCESS COMMAND
/dev/modem root 11256 f.... pppd
RoOt@femto[~]$ fuser -v /var/log/*.log
USER PID ACCESS COMMAND
/var/log/auth.log root 77 f.... syslogd
/var/log/daemon.log root 77 f.... syslogd
Perhaps that was your mistake? From the fuser man page:
fuser may only be able to gather partial information
unless run with privileges. As a consequence, files opened
by processes belonging to other users may not be listed
and executables may be classified as mapped only.
Guy
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I'm not sure exactly how java figures out what's 'harmful' and what
isn't. I imagine file i/o is one of them. You might try looking at
http://www.javasoft.com/
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Stephen Masterman wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Stephen Masterman wrote:
>
> > What is to stop someone from putting a java applet on their home page that,
> > when run, deletes everything it can on the local hard drive?
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> Java has built in blocks that keeps a program from doing any harm to your
> system. I suppose someone could still find some way to do something
> (perhaps crashing your computer), but I don't think anything permanent
> could be done.
>
> Does this mean that a program written in java can not do file i/o?
> Otherwise, how could the VM know that it was doing "harm" as opposed to
> some necessary file manipulation?
>
>
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sat Mar 2 20:56:08 1996
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Subject: Re: curses/termcap (was gdbm vs db)
To: dan@detached.demon.co.uk (Daniel Barlow)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 19:53:47 -0800 (PST)
Cc: david@elo.ods.com, linux-gcc@vger.rutgers.edu, mdorman@lot49.med.miami.edu,
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> >The problem with using termcap is that some programs will use
> >/etc/termcap and others will use /usr/lib/terminfo. I'd rather see
> >effort put into fixing the termcap emulation bugs in ncurses rather
> >than into maintaining and perpetuating termcap.
>
> I'd echo this.
>
I have only one reservation. The termcap emulation in ncurses
is huge compared with libtermcap. For some applications, I
am not sure if I want those baggaes.
gdb uses termcap. termcap is small and working fine. ncurses
is too big even if with the termcap emulation bug fixes when
they are ever fixed :-(.
BTW, I use statically linked gdb for obvious reasons.
H.J.
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>> belong to some package. Does anyone know of an easy way to list all
>> files that don't belong to any package?
Here's a makefile that I run (with make -j2) on my system. To use it
yourself, you'll need to:
1) put in tabs before the indented commands, instead of the
spaces there now; I cut and pasted this via gpm...
2) Change the DIRS line. If you've only got one partition,
running this with DIRS=/ will suffice; the specific values are the
places where my laptop had symlinks off the root for particular
packages.
The count rule is vaguely interesting, but it's "diffs" that produces
the useful bit: diffs between the list of installed files and the list
that dpkg claims. You may wish to add additional grep -v lines to
allfiles, after running this once, to see things that you "know"
shouldn't be under dpkg. (There's something to be said for having a
way to inform dpkg of these new files, something like dpkg --register,
that perl's h2ph (for example) could run, but it wouldn't help much
for uucp [though it might make sense for log files, in which case
/var/spool could be the only real "exception".])
_Mark_ <eichin@cygnus.com>
Cygnus Support, Eastern USA
all: diffs
DIRS=/ /usr/unsupported/ /usr/athena/ /usr/openwin/ /usr/vice/ /usr/cygnus/ /us\r/src/ /usr/cygnus/cns5/
info:
ln -s /var/lib/dpkg/info
allfiles:
-find ${DIRS} -xdev -print \
| grep -v '^/var/lib/dpkg' \
| grep -v '^/root' \
| grep -v '^/usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux' \
| grep -v '^/var/spool/uucp' \
| grep -v '^/var/run' \
| grep -v '^/var/log' \
> allfiles
allfiles.sort: allfiles
sort -o allfiles.sort -u allfiles
star.list: info
rm -f star.list star.files
dpkg --list | awk '/^ii/ { print $$2 }' | while read i; do \
cat info/$${i}*.list >> star.list; \
cat info/$${i}*.conffiles >> star.list; \
echo $${i}.list >> star.files; done
star.list.sort: star.list
sort -o star.list.sort -u star.list
diffs: star.list.sort allfiles.sort
diff -ur allfiles.sort star.list.sort > diffs
.PHONY: allfiles star.list
clean:
rm -f allfiles allfiles.sort star.list star.list.sort star.files
count:
egrep \^- diffs | grep -v /etc/rc | egrep -v ~$ | grep -v cns5 | grep -\v /var | wc -l
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>> Does this mean that a program written in java can not do file i/o?
>> Otherwise, how could the VM know that it was doing "harm" as opposed to
>> some necessary file manipulation?
Java programs are not permitted general file i/o; there are complex
mechanisms to permit them to use temporary files.
Note that netscape also provides "JavaScript", which is
1) not java
2) not disabled when you turn off java
3) known to be able to "steal" files, though not (yet) write
to them...
(according to information posted on one of the Privacy mailinglists,
though web pages with examples of the latter were referenced, so an
altavista search would probably give you more info.)
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sat Mar 2 21:51:40 1996
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From: david@elo.ods.com (David Engel)
Subject: Re: curses/termcap (was gdbm vs db)
To: dan@detached.demon.co.uk (Daniel Barlow)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 22:51:15 -0600 (CST)
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> >I don't see what's wrong with using libncurses.so.3.0. We are using
> >it for Debian and haven't had any problems.
>
> Well, it's a bit prettier to only have one numerical component in the
> soname. I agree that this is not a major concern, just something that
> ought to be changed _if_ we diverge.
Right, the emphasis should be on *if* we need to diverge. My main
point is that the current soname is already in wide-spread use so we
shouln't change it unnecessarily.
> >Debian already *has* standardized on ncurses. Of course, if Zeyd or
> >whomever starts changing the ABI willy nilly without concern for
> >backwards compatibility, we will probably consider maintaining our own
> >version.
>
> (tongue in cheek) You say `starts', I say `continues'. Let's call the
> whole thing off :-)
Well, yes. BTW, I do recall seeing a message a while back from one of
the ncurses developers, not Zeyd, which indicated they weren't
planning on changing the ABI for quite some time.
> I'd also ask what debian plan to do if/when libc.so.6 is released. Do
> you have a plan for this, or are you going leave that bridge uncrossed
> until you come to it?
We learned quite a bit on how to handle things like this when we
switched from a.out (libc4) to ELF (libc5). Probably the biggest
thing we did to ease such transitions was to split packages containing
shared libraries into separate run-time and development packages.
Users can install mulitple major versions of run-time packages for a
particular library but can only install one development version. Our
package dependency mechanism ensures that all development versions are
compatiblie.
David
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From: david@elo.ods.com (David Engel)
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To: hjl@zoom.com (H J Lu)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 22:55:25 -0600 (CST)
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> I have only one reservation. The termcap emulation in ncurses
> is huge compared with libtermcap. For some applications, I
> am not sure if I want those baggaes.
It may be huge, but it's in a shared library. Even if it does waste a
little extra memory, I think it's worth it not to have to support
multiple terminal databases.
David
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>
> > I have only one reservation. The termcap emulation in ncurses
> > is huge compared with libtermcap. For some applications, I
> > am not sure if I want those baggaes.
>
> It may be huge, but it's in a shared library. Even if it does waste a
> little extra memory, I think it's worth it not to have to support
> multiple terminal databases.
>
I need a working, statically linked gdb since I don't want to use a
dynamally linked gdb to debug a shared library. termcap from ncurses
is huge and buggy. That is what triggered me to make termcap 2.0.5.
If we CAN use it for gdb, I will have nothing against it.
H.J.
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-68k-request@Pixar.com> Sat Mar 2 23:00:47 1996
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Subject: last round of uploads
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Well, I just got done moving in the last round of uploads.
There were a bunch that had the same or lower version than that in the
binary-m68k tree. Those got deleted.
These had either no changes (or just a file with md5sum's) or just changes:
(The only info really needed from the .changes for archive purposes is
the md5sum to see that it arrived OK)
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 9276 Mar 2 16:00 a2gs-1.0-4.deb
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 399 Mar 2 16:01 amd-upl102-1.changes
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 401 Mar 2 16:01 at-2.8a-2.changes
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 440 Mar 2 16:02 bind-4.9.3-BETA24-1.changes
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 447 Mar 2 16:07 cern-httpd-3.0-4.changes
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 467 Mar 2 16:07 cfengine-1.2.14-2.changes-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 431 Mar 2 16:07 cron-3.0pl1-20.changes
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 188843 Mar 2 16:09 dpkg-1.1.0.deb
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 185341 Mar 2 16:10 dpkg-1.1.0.nondebbin.tar.gz
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 224584 Mar 2 16:11 fvwm-1.24r-10.deb
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 743560 Mar 2 16:15 groff-1.09-4.deb
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 269544 Mar 2 16:16 gs-2.6.1pl4-5.deb
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 411 Mar 2 16:18 ircii-2.8.2-1.changes
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 7262 Mar 2 16:18 last-5-13.deb
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 406 Mar 2 16:25 lpr-5.9-6.changes
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 15632 Mar 2 16:25 magicfilter-1.1b-1.deb
-rw-rw---- 1 upload debian 440 Mar 2 16:37 setterm-1.0-0.changes
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 00:22:05 1996
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On 2 Mar 1996, Eternal wrote:
> Every time I try to entire a document that uses java I get the error,
>
> Unable to start java applet: Can't find "moz2_0.zip" in your CLASSPATH.
> Read the release notes and install "moz2_0.zip" properly before
> restarting.
Copy moz2_0.zip to /usr/local/lib/netscape/moz2_0.zip
Do NOT unzip, and all will be well.
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# sbolt@xs4all.nl # Steven Bolt # popular science monthly KIJK #
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 00:55:25 1996
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Did anyone get a notice for dpkg-ftp being released? I cannot seem
to find it on ftp.debian.org.
Also, has anyone been able to compile netbase and netstd elf? I get
all kind of errors (many of which are probally fixable, but I haven't had
time to do so)? Thanks
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 01:17:04 1996
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rshutt writes:
>
>
> Did anyone get a notice for dpkg-ftp being released? I cannot seem
> to find it on ftp.debian.org.
.../debian/project/experimental
> Also, has anyone been able to compile netbase and netstd elf? I get
> all kind of errors (many of which are probally fixable, but I haven't had
> time to do so)? Thanks
Which version were you using? The versions in the unstable tree are
already elf.
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 02:04:59 1996
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Package: mount
Version: 2.5-5
For a filesystem *not* listed in /etc/fstab, if I give the command
mount /dev/hdd2 /z2
the 2.5 mount appears to hang in the mount call. (strace doesn't show the
arguments, since it waits for the child to return.) If I do either
mount -t auto /dev/hdd2 /z2
or
mount -t ext2 /dev/hdd2 /z2
it works. The 2.4 mount (from the stable a.out release) works
fine... kernel is 1.2.13 (with binfmt_elf compiled in.)
_Mark_ <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
The Herd of Kittens
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Package: svgalib1
Version: 1.28-5
deimos:unstable/binary/graphics:[17]# dpkg --install svgalib1-1.28-5.deb
(Reading database ... 19140 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace svgalib1 (using svgalib1-1.28-5.deb) ...
/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: syntax error near unexpected token `then'
dpkg: error processing svgalib1-1.28-5.deb (--install):
subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
mv: /usr/lib/libvga.so.1.2.8.new: No such file or directory
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
svgalib1-1.28-5.deb
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Hello,
I would like to know if there are any plans to bring out an official
printed manual and cd rom set of the debian distribution?
It would be great for newbies and a good source of income to support
development efforts.
allan
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On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Rob Leslie wrote:
> Package: svgalib1
> Version: 1.28-5
>
> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: syntax error near unexpected token `then'
I came across this too. The fix is simple: s/elsif/elif/ in the
preinst.
Pretty silly bug...
Guy
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From: Guy Maor <maor@ece.utexas.edu>
To: Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels@cistron.nl>
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On Sat, 2 Mar 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> You (Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca) wrote:
> > Excellent! Feel free to add
> > Conflicts: last
> > or whatever needed to de-install last. Feel free to (re-)use the last manpage
> > I scribbled from the .info material.
>
> Oh, it already has a manpage. But the Conflicts: line is a good
> idea (though it will confuse a few people). Or is there a better way?
There's a better way - look in dpkg-disappear-replace.txt. It details
how obsolete base packages can disappear.
I'm maintaining the chfn package, Mike, so I'd still be maintaing
loginutils. I already have a chfn which should work fine with NIS.
I have no problem with taking last out of the loginutils. I only put
it in there to group all the wtmp stuff together. In fact, apart from
last, I'm the only one affected by this change. I merely took the 2
packages I'm maintaining, chfn and miscutils, and turned them into 3
package I'll maintain, loginutils, fsutils, and miscutils.
Guy
>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 04:33:07 1996
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Subject: Re: Initial release of open(1) (AIX conformant command to open VC's)
To: dominik.kubla@uni-mainz.de (Dominik Kubla)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 06:33:06 -0500 (EST)
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'Dominik Kubla wrote:'
>
>I just uploaded the initial release of open(1) to master.debian.org
>It is for i386/ELF and should go into the base category.
>
>Bruce, maybe you should put that on the rootdisk, so that ther could be
>more than one vc open during installation?
1. Couldn't this go into one of the other 'util' packages? Maybe
sysutils? It is after all very small.
2. I like the idea of using open(1) with only 1 or two gettys spawned
by /etc/inittab. However, this is fundamentally different behaviour
and is likely to confuse many users. Perhaps we should make it an
"option" for the time being.
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 04:44:11 1996
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From: Bill Hogan <bhogan@rahul.net>
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Hello.
I am trying to install the latest Gardens Point modula2 package but
it appears to me to expect a version of dlltools later than
`dlltools-2.17-3.deb'.
By this I mean that running `ldd' on my Debian-0.93 executables
gives me
libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.6pl27) => /lib/libc.so.4.6.27
but running `ldd' on the executables that came with Gardens Point
modula-frb96.tar.gz gives me
libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.7pl2) => /lib/libc.so.4.6.27
and I get messages like
----------------------- quote -------------------------------
build: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4.6.27'
Desire minor version >= 7 and found 6
build: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4.6.27'
Desire minor version >= 7 and found 6
dgen: using incompatible library '/lib/libc.so.4.6.27'
Desire minor version >= 7 and found 6
--------------------- unquote -------------------------------
when I try to use the modula2 package.
Is DLL Jump 4.7 at all likely find its way into Debian-0.93 any
time soon?
(If I sound tentative it is because I am unnclear about the policy
Debian GNU/Linux has taken w/r its linux-a.out support long-term.)
Bill
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-devel-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 04:57:13 1996
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Subject: Re: Bug#2453: rc.local script is never executed
To: miquels@cistron.nl (Miquel van Smoorenburg)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 06:57:07 -0500 (EST)
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'Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:'
>
>You (Michael Meskes) wrote:
>> Packages: base, sysvinit
>> Version: 0.93.6-13,2.58-2
>>
>> The actual base package conatins a file rc.local that is not executed during
>> the boot process. I tried to start a discussion about this problem a while
>> ago, but no decision was made. In my opinion a rc.local has to be started at
>> boot time to make local adjustments, e.g. a call to hdparm or floppycontrol
>> or the like.
[...]
>Some of the files from /etc/init.d are in sysvinit, others are nowhere..
>should I move them into sysvinit or should we make a seperate package for
>it? I'd be willing to maintain it..
$ dpkg -S /etc/rc.local
base: /etc/rc.local
$ dpkg -l base
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name Version Rev Description
+++-============-=========-====-===============================================
ri base 0.93.6 13 Debian Base System Miscellaneous Files
I think it's a good idea for rc.local to move into sysvinit.
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>From <@mongo.pixar.com:debian-user-request@Pixar.com> Sun Mar 3 05:22:54 1996
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everytime i try and use lynx from home i get the following list of
termcap errors and then after about one minute lynx starts up but has a
very "dirty" screen (ie lots of left over asci charcters and such)
these errors *only* occur when accessing my server from home...(its a
debian (of-course:) web-server)
any help appreciated:)
heres the errors i get...
"/etc/termcap", line 2006: terminal 'tek4125', Illegal character '!' =
0x21 in \
sequence
"/etc/termcap", line 2006: terminal 'tek4125', Illegal character '!' =
0x21 in \
sequence
"/etc/termcap", line 2014: terminal '4404', Illegal character '!' = 0x21
in \ se
quence
"/etc/termcap", line 2677: terminal 'h19-a', Illegal character - '\' = 0x5c
"/etc/termcap", line 2799: terminal 'adm20', Illegal character - '^' = 0x5e
"/etc/termcap", line 3471: terminal 'wy99', Illegal character - '&' = 0x26
"/etc/termcap", line 3471: terminal 'wy99', Illegal character - '\' = 0x5c
"/etc/termcap", line 3938: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '[' = 0x5b
"/etc/termcap", line 3938: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '?' = 0x3f
"/etc/termcap", line 3938: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '\' = 0x5c
"/etc/termcap", line 3939: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '[' = 0x5b
"/etc/termcap", line 3939: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '?' = 0x3f
"/etc/termcap", line 3939: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '\' = 0x5c
"/etc/termcap", line 3944: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '[' = 0x5b
"/etc/termcap", line 3944: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '?' = 0x3f
"/etc/termcap", line 3944: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '\' = 0x5c
"/etc/termcap", line 3945: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '[' = 0x5b
"/etc/termcap", line 3945: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '?' = 0x3f
"/etc/termcap", line 3945: terminal 'minicom', Illegal character - '\' = 0x5c
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"BH" == Bill Hogan <bhogan> writes:
BH> ... running `ldd' on my Debian-0.93 executables
BH> gives me
BH> libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.6pl27) => /lib/libc.so.4.6.27
BH> but running `ldd' on the executables that came with Gardens Point
BH> modula-frb96.tar.gz gives me
BH> libc.so.4 (DLL Jump 4.7pl2) => /lib/libc.so.4.6.27
...
BH> Is DLL Jump 4.7 at all likely find its way into Debian-0.93 any
BH> time soon?
I can't believe I wrote that.
But that's what 20 hours straight will do sometimes.
Sorry. ( I think I know where I can find libc-4.7.2 :)
<thud>
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>>> Does this mean that a program written in java can not do file i/o?
>>> Otherwise, how could the VM know that it was doing "harm" as opposed to
>>> some necessary file manipulation?
>
>Java programs are not permitted general file i/o; there are complex
>mechanisms to permit them to use temporary files.
>
>Note that netscape also provides "JavaScript", which is
> 1) not java
> 2) not disabled when you turn off java
> 3) known to be able to "steal" files, though not (yet) write
>to them...
>
>(according to information posted on one of the Privacy mailinglists,
>though web pages with examples of the latter were referenced, so an
>altavista search would probably give you more info.)
Has anyone conducted a full security audit on Java? At any rate,
before I use Java, I will be creating a separate account. Better safe
than sorry!
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