Re: [Debconf-team] Artwork

I'm just trying to get that page structure as good as possible so that I can add the correct information to it.

I do understand that and you have done a great job!! my concern.... people will use that instead of what should be, and then you get the inconsistency that you were talking about, that to me, is confusing communication.

There's a huge amount of technical design work that you're not familiar with and it's not good that you do everything alone in isolation until a deadline and *then* once the deadline is here, want feedback.

By no means was that the case or has been for this, hence why we said we would chat on Sat and then on Tues to go over the style guide to make sure that nothing has been missed and for it to get formatted for easy access.

I have had a meeting with you and Raoul to get "team input" before we put anything out there as a first proposal for the website layout before it is put to the rest of the team to give input/proposals.

Added to Git - 2 weeks later still no comments from anyone. Other than you and Raoul.

I have also asked people what their comments are, and to help with direction re: look and feel, content etc on things: i.e. brochure, website and now the style guide, in some cases, I have had good input and at times no input.

DebConf and both you and Bernelle assured me that we'd do differently so that we don't end up with the same mess we had with the logo.

Has this not been the case?

A month ago it was decided to use the logo, I had put things on Git asking for people to put up suggestions (no response), I did a mini Style guide for Raoul a month ago, which is on GIT ( no response from anyone, to date)

3 weeks ago I had confirmation that everyone was happy with colours etc. (only because the brochure was approved)

In that month it has been a busy time, and now after focusing on Brochures and Websites I am able to sit down and give it the attention it deserves with you and whoever else would like to give input, that time is on Tues.

Deadlines are set for a reason, and they seem to get pushed forward

every time someone panics instead of saying this is the deadline and you
can get the info on this date.

Talking in general, I do feel that needs to be managed better, but then again that is my background.

Having said that, I care about this and I don't want you to stress and I want to help you and make this go smoother, but that can't happen unless you let me help you.

More than happy for the help, appreciate it immensely! that is why I have been asking you for advice and input before I do things etc, hence meeting tomorrow, so we can go through the Style guide and I can give you the work, that has been tweaked the way it should be, DebConf style.

Regards

Tammy

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Jonathan Carter <jcarter@linux.com> wrote:

Hi Tammy

On 12/10/2015 20:16, Tammy Manning wrote:

The deadline for this was Wednesday, I spoke to at the braai and said we
need to review the Style Guide, it was agreed that we would do it
tomorrow night at the Clug Dinner.

Now there are things on Wiki that are black and pink and whatever other
colour, for everyone to use, not only is this confusing having to now
explain to everyone designing in Cyan and Black as well as Dusty pink,
that those are not the colours.

Yeah I just added the colours that have been already used on the wiki. They have been used since the last two months already, and wasn't meant as a suggestion for future use but just getting that page into better shape.

If we agreed to look at this tomorrow night and finalise it with Wed
deadline being the forefront, why are we now adding irrelevant stuff to
the Wiki, for everyone to get hold of?
I was not aware the deadline was pushed till this morning?

I'm adding whatever I can to the wiki at this point. There was no deadline for this morning, not sure why you're asking about that. I'm just trying to get that page structure as good as possible so that I can add the correct information to it. If you want to withhold the information and images until the deadline, that's your choice, but I honestly think the way we're going about this is far from optimal. There's a huge amount of technical design work that you're not familiar with and it's not good that you do everything alone in isolation until a deadline and *then* once the deadline is here, want feedback. It's better if you open it up earlier so that we can work on it together and fix some problems and directions early. We discussed this at DebConf and both you and Bernelle assured me that we'd do differently so that we don't end up with the same mess we had with the logo, and a month and a half later we still don't even have a copy of the logo in a usable format. Can you emphathize and realise that I'm slightly frustrated by that too?

Having said that, I care about this and I don't want you to stress and I want to help you and make this go smoother, but that can't happen unless you let me help you.

Deadlines are set for a reason, and they seem to get pushed forward
every time someone panics instead of saying this is the deadline and you
can get the info on this date.

Again, there was no extra deadline set, and no need for panic. Really :)

-Jonathan

MUNGO JOE

Tammy 082 674 9764