Re: [Debconf-team] SVN -> GIT migration
Hi
Richard Darst <rkd@zgib.net> writes:
> Hi,
>
> (a bit late, but...)
>From the timing I'm not sure if your mail was sent before you read my
last mail to this thread [1] or afterwards. Could you please clarify if my
mail addresses your concerns or which ones are still an issue with the
latest proposal.
If possible I would like to have a decision about the conversion and the
proposed repository access procedure during the meeting tonight.
Gaudenz
[1] id:"87ipdflb2v.fsf@meteor.durcheinandertal.bofh"
>
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 01:49:10PM -0600, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
>>
>> [git conversion things]
>
> I have talked to Moray about this, and we both basically agree (but
> the words here are mine)... but it seems the main advantage to git is
> that it is cool, not that it's better for this case.
>
> First and foremost is the institutional memory. If you want to work
> on DebConf N, you're going to want to know about DebConf N-1 and N-2
> and N-3 and so on. As a specific example, I imagine DC13 people are
> going to be interested in getting sponsors now. The DC12 and DC11 and
> so on repos will be good for that - depending on how hard you scrape,
> you may want all of them. So... that means continuing to give people
> access to old repos, nullifying the "security" here? Or go and copy
> over previous years to the current repo each time?
>
> git is good for code. It has tons of nice features like branching and
> local copies. But I have always thought that subversion is fairly
> ideal for our use case.
>
> One of the complains is size of the repos. Imagine what it's like
> when you need full history of all changes of all of our binary files,
> instead of just the current version. Subversion handles this nicely.
> Also, with subversion you can do partial checkouts. It is one of the
> first things I figured out when I had to use subversion for
> debconf-data:
> $ svn co --depth=immediates svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/debconf-data/
> $ cd debconf-data
> $ cd dc12
> $ svn co --depth=full dc12
> $ # Hm, I want to check one file in dc11?
> $ cd ../dc11
> $ svn co --depth=immediates
> Really, exactly how I hope DebConf repos would behave.
>
> git does nice branching and local copies... but most of our data is
> designed to reflect "the real world case" where there is only one
> version of facts, and everyone should have that as much as possible.
>
>
> I agree and empathize with the fact it is hard to get people access.
> I would suggest cc'ing debconf-team on requests to add people as
> commiters. It is also one of the reasons I try so hard to minimize
> the amount of private date put into debconf-team, and maximize the
> public part in debconf-data. (If you'd like to find new people for
> the admin team, I think it would be very well appreciated!)
>
> There are with respect to private data being in the repositories.
> While I've said this in IRC, private data should only be put in if the
> need for sharing makes long-term storage worth it. This is the case
> for most things historically put into it. Perhaps, if people wanted a
> split, a more logical one would be a repository for just the
> registration team/travel sponsorship, since they are the ones with all
> of the attendee information.
>
> Note that none of this applies to code, such as pentabarf, etc.
>
> I realize that I am doing a lot of talking here, and not much doing.
> I feel pretty dirty telling others that their work isn't appreciated.
> However, nonetheless, every year I see tons of people come into
> DebConf with great idealism about technology, who eventually seeing
> that putting on a DebConf is about managing complexity and finding a
> nice balance. I wish that I could do more, but I am currently trying
> to finish my degree so I have very limited time. In 2-3 months, I
> will have much more time and can take a more active role in things,
> perhaps by writing up various best practices (make a list for me!).
> I'm sure there has been much discussion at debconf itself, and if you
> all would like to go ahead, I'll wish you the best of luck and do what
> I can with the new system.
>
> - Richard
>
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