Re: [Debconf-team] [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka

[Adnan Hodzic <adnan@foolcontrol.org>]

This topic is getting hard to follow especially since I'm extremely
short of time ATM.

@Ian and everybody else,

I'll just tell you this, I'm in Zagreb now and today I talked to some
of leading people from HULK (Croatian LUG) and told them about our
Zagreb > Banja Luka transportation plans. Even if it's only one person
they would be glad to help us out, thus meaning they could perhaps
greet you at the airport and then take you to the bus station and help
you get what you need. Or take you to our "bus/shuttle meeting point"
or whatever you need help with.

So the moral of what I just said is please don't panic, we have
everything under control and whoever you are you or whenever you
arrive you won't be left by yourself.

@debconf-team

We should just make sure that "Arrival/Departure" page is concise and
has all the data/info that's needed, according from data we pull out
from Penta or letting the attendees to input these details by
themselves.

That's my plan.

@everybody, again please just don't panic :)


Adnan

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Ian Jackson
<ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> vedran writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Zagreb <--> Banja Luka"):
>> We understand your concerns but from our perspective things doesn't look
>> so disorganized. Yes there is still a lot of missing points but at least
>> there are well defined general guidelines about travel. Zagreb --> Banja
>> Luka are very well connected with buses so even if you come to Zagreb
>> without any preparation, you would not have any difficulty comming to Banja
>> Luka. (Although i believe you will have all necessary guidelines on
>> time.)  Just please don't make panic.
>
> This is precisely the kind of response that I was complaining about.
> What people need is INFORMATION, not reassurance.
>
> Those flying into Zagreb need to know when they book flights (which
> ideally would be done a month or two ago) that they have a good plan
> for what they will do on arrival in Zagreb.
>
> That means the kind of detailed information about what and how I
> described in my previous email.  Telling people "there is a bus" is
> not sufficient.  We need detailed information about times,
> reliability, buying tickets, where to catch the bus, directions to
> the bus station or stops, how to know when to get off, who will speak
> which languages, etc.  Those who are arriving late at night need
> recommendations for where to stay.
>
> Instead, here we have another message telling us "don't worry" and
> "don't make panic".
>
> If you _provided the information_ people needed, no-one would be
> worried.  Saying "it's all fine" but _not_ providing that information
> tells us "not only is it not organised, but the people who would be
> organising it don't understand the problem".
>
> Ie, when you say "it's all fine" we see that there is a big problem.
> That means that people who aren't confident in their ability to deal
> with these kind of issues by themselves simply won't come to Debconf.
>
>> Also, today Adnan presented DebConf11 organization at ODRS/CLUC event in
>> Zagreb (www.dorscluc.org) and invited more more people to join travel team
>> and help with those issues in case you are coming via Zagreb. People ware
>> very interested in DebConf11 today so i have no doubt there will be some
>> volunteers from Zagreb helping about this issue.
>
> Where are the local team for Banja Luka in this conversation ?
>
> Ian.
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