Re: Summary of yesterday's Jabber/XMPP BoF
Hi Martin,
On Sat, Jul 19, 2025 at 09:47:58AM +0000, Martin wrote:
> Dear DebConf community,
>
> for those who did not attend yesterday's Jabber/XMPP BoF, here is the
> not so short summary, mainly taken from:
> https://pad.dc25.debconf.org/p/r.70e41ed993fc40036944a5224088e7ed
>
> First, special thanks to Valhalla for taking live notes and to Lynn
> for letting us use their computer for the large screen!
>
> * State of Jabber/XMPP packages in trixie:
> https://xmpp-team.pages.debian.net/blog/2025/05/xmpp-debian-13-trixie-news.html
> Seems to be accurate and complete, nobody complained.
>
> * TODOs for post-trixie:
> - ejabberd needs help! Esp. migrating build from rebar to rebar3, i.e.
> dh-rebar needs to get support for that (ejabberd MUC: 2025-07-18
> 11:40:34 - badlop: here is the patch
> https://gist.github.com/badlop/c895a5dd6b91e7d5c894744380482f51)
> https://bugs.debian.org/1072724
> - slixmpp uses the deprecated Python JID code in Debian, but we should
> migrate to the official Rust library (`jid`). This will most likely
> be done soon.
> - SFS (stateless file sharing) bug fixes in dino-im for the first
> point release 13.1 https://bugs.debian.org/1109505
> - There is also a MUC related Dino bug
> https://bugs.debian.org/1109505, but not yet confirmed or fixed
> upstream, maybe for 13.2
>
> * Nice to have web clients with probably high effort:
> - Converse.js (JS) https://bugs.debian.org/807275
> - Libervia web (Python, JS, and both combined: Brython, which is hard
> to package reg. d/copyright) https://bugs.debian.org/725761
> - Movim (PHP, JS) https://bugs.debian.org/891462
> - Prose (Rust, JS) https://bugs.debian.org/1109503
>
> * Other packages, maybe less challeging:
> - eTURNal, an Erlang based alternative to coTURN with much better
> logging, and easier to configure https://bugs.debian.org/1098697
>
> * Snikket-like (https://snikket.org/) helper to install a good prosody
> server for small self-hosting sites
> - maybe just a metapackage with the dependecies, maybe an ansible
> playbook (if strictly needed), even better it would be adding
> debconf questions and/or changing the package defaults
> - it is possible to add a certbot hook to make a default position for
> the certificate that prosody can use, or we can use prosodyctl
> insertcert (?) in the deploy-hooks of certbot
> - first step would be to update
> https://docs.trueelena.org/self_hosting/modern_xmpp_server/index.html
> to trixie and then migrate it to some debian place
> - debops already has some rules for prosody
> - Jabber MUC for further discussions on this:
> xmpp:xmpp-team@conference.debian.org?join
>
> * Debian Jabber server (`@debian.org`) ideas:
> - Run direct TLS over 443 to make it work in British trains and other
> public wifis (DSA might be reluctant)
> - Have our own biboumi instance at least for OFTC
> - adding turn/stun for video calls
> - have a wiki page (or a page on https://xmpp-team.pages.debian.net ?)
> with a bit more details on what can be expected from the service
> (video calls? biboumi?)
> - further discussion in xmpp:rtc@conference.debian.org?join
>
> We stopped here, because of `E_TIMEOUT` ;-)
As someone who couldn't attend I really appreciate this summary!
Cheers,
-- Guido
>
> Happy chatting, happy jabbering!
>
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