Summary of yesterday's Jabber/XMPP BoF

[Martin <debacle@debian.org>]

Dear DebConf community,

for those who did not attend yesterday's Jabber/XMPP BoF, here is the
not so short summary, mainly taken from:
https://pad.dc25.debconf.org/p/r.70e41ed993fc40036944a5224088e7ed

First, special thanks to Valhalla for taking live notes and to Lynn
for letting us use their computer for the large screen!

* State of Jabber/XMPP packages in trixie:
  https://xmpp-team.pages.debian.net/blog/2025/05/xmpp-debian-13-trixie-news.html
  Seems to be accurate and complete, nobody complained.

* TODOs for post-trixie:
  - ejabberd needs help! Esp. migrating build from rebar to rebar3, i.e.
    dh-rebar needs to get support for that (ejabberd MUC: 2025-07-18
    11:40:34 - badlop: here is the patch
    https://gist.github.com/badlop/c895a5dd6b91e7d5c894744380482f51)
    https://bugs.debian.org/1072724
  - slixmpp uses the deprecated Python JID code in Debian, but we should
    migrate to the official Rust library (`jid`). This will most likely
    be done soon.
  - SFS (stateless file sharing) bug fixes in dino-im for the first
    point release 13.1 https://bugs.debian.org/1109505
  - There is also a MUC related Dino bug
    https://bugs.debian.org/1109505, but not yet confirmed or fixed
    upstream, maybe for 13.2

* Nice to have web clients with probably high effort:
  - Converse.js (JS) https://bugs.debian.org/807275
  - Libervia web (Python, JS, and both combined: Brython, which is hard
    to package reg. d/copyright) https://bugs.debian.org/725761
  - Movim (PHP, JS) https://bugs.debian.org/891462
  - Prose (Rust, JS) https://bugs.debian.org/1109503

* Other packages, maybe less challeging:
  - eTURNal, an Erlang based alternative to coTURN with much better
    logging, and easier to configure https://bugs.debian.org/1098697

* Snikket-like (https://snikket.org/) helper to install a good prosody
  server for small self-hosting sites
  - maybe just a metapackage with the dependecies, maybe an ansible
    playbook (if strictly needed), even better it would be adding
    debconf questions and/or changing the package defaults
  - it is possible to add a certbot hook to make a default position for
    the certificate that prosody can use, or we can use prosodyctl
    insertcert (?) in the deploy-hooks of certbot
  - first step would be to update
    https://docs.trueelena.org/self_hosting/modern_xmpp_server/index.html
    to trixie and then migrate it to some debian place
  - debops already has some rules for prosody
  - Jabber MUC for further discussions on this:
    xmpp:xmpp-team@conference.debian.org?join
  
* Debian Jabber server (`@debian.org`) ideas:
  - Run direct TLS over 443 to make it work in British trains and other
    public wifis (DSA might be reluctant)
  - Have our own biboumi instance at least for OFTC
  - adding turn/stun for video calls
  - have a wiki page (or a page on https://xmpp-team.pages.debian.net ?)
    with a bit more details on what can be expected from the service
    (video calls? biboumi?)
  - further discussion in xmpp:rtc@conference.debian.org?join

We stopped here, because of `E_TIMEOUT` ;-)

Happy chatting, happy jabbering!