While I sympathize with paulo's concerns, I would like to add that during (and subsequent discussions at) our bof about debconfs and the climate crisis at dc23, I heard several people saying that they would think twice before going far away to a debconf for just a few days. And from what I understood, a few days could be anything less than a week long. That said, it's understandable that dc24 will end up taking place over fewer days, perhaps with a limit on participation and other exceptions that may be necessary for it to happen. Bests, -- Tiago Vaz https://tvaz.cc On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 06:06:33PM +0000, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Paulo (2023.10.30_15:57:51_+0000) > > Considering the shorter time, If I was you, I wouldn't organize DebCamp. > > DebCamp is nice, it's great to have people earlier, but it's too much work > > before the main event. > > Interesting to hear you say that. I have exactly the opposite view of > DebCamp. It makes the event start slowly, without needing to have > everything ready on day 1. Everybody understands if there are no > nametags, no network in the hacklabs, or the beer is frothy on the first > day. > > It's not like most other events, where there's a mad rush to get > everything working the night before the conference starts. There's a > whole week for the conference organizers to get everything ready, for > the main conference. > > In Cape Town, we were super lazy. We didn't even provide catered food > for the first 3 days. We just took the 10-20 attendees out for dinner. > > Yes, DebCamp+DebConf does make the event very long. But I didn't find > that it added anything to my stress. It just let me spread it out. > > > In 2019 we had 2 weeks, and because most of attendees arrived during > > DebCamp, we had to deal with accomodation, food and venue for these 2 weeks. > > When DebConf itself started, I was exhausted and I felt I couldn't join the > > main part of the event. > > That I can relate to. The local organizers almost never get a chance to > be fully present at the conference. There's usually too much going on, > that keeps them busy. But I don't think the length of the event plays > into it much. > > Rather, the size and quality of the local team. How effectively tasks > are delegated, and handled without putting a strain on the main > organizers. > > As an organizer and videoteam, I usually spend the whole of DebCamp > working on bringing up infrastructure and getting the conference ready. > Yes, not having attendees around would mean we could focus more on that > work... But we'd also not get as much done at the event. > > Stefano > > -- > Stefano Rivera > http://tumbleweed.org.za/ > +1 415 683 3272 >
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