There is no need to CC info@ubuntu.com. The email goes to me and I am on this list. ;) <quote who="Holger Levsen" date="2005-05-03 19:49:33 +0200"> > to the best of my knowledge no ubuntu related talk or bof is > scheduled or planned for debconf. As far a I know, there are none. > As I expect many developers to attend debconf5 (as well as even more > debian developers ;) I think this would be a good opportunity to > discuss ubuntu+debian related issues in an organized and coordinated > manner - oppossed to (very much welcome) private talks at dinners , > in the sauna or while dancing tango ;) I absolutely agree. > Of course the focus shouldnt be on promoting ubuntu ;-) Rather I'm > thinking of ubuntu+debian developers describing how they deal with > "their different hats", a discussion how to improve the > ubuntu-debian-relationship, ... > > What do you think ? I've talked to Andreas Schuldei offline today and here is my tentative plan: I've submitted a proposal for a round-table talk (I've heard it can be squeezed in) on derivers. This will give a us a chance to get a representative from Ubuntu and also to get the perspective from others in similar situations in different companies or organization (e.g., Progeny, Linspire, Skolelinux, whoever we can get there). The idea is that we, as Debian, talk about the challenges and benefits that deriving presents as a way of coming to grips with the increasingly importance of Debian's position not merely as a distribution but as an important node in an network or ecosystem of distributions. I think this will provide a good way to talk about some of the most important issues in a more general sense -- because none of these problems are specific to Ubuntu. If you are interested in participating in that round table, please contact me off-list. Now, if we still want an Ubuntu session (and I think it could be useful). I think that this is also in the cards. I'm totally willing to have a BoF on what Ubuntu does well in relationship to Debian, what it can be do better, and how we can strengthen the relationship between the two projects (since almost all Ubuntu hackers have a foot in both projects). What I *don't* want to see is: (a) An advertising or show-off session for Ubuntu (b) A bitch-fest about why Ubuntu and/or Canonical suck We can talk about both the good and the bad but we need to walk a fine line to make sure that we all take away something good from it and that it's a productive experience. I'm happy to say we'll refine that idea over the next couple months as long as we actually do it. ;) Regards, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill mako@debian.org http://mako.yukidoke.org/
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