On 6/20/23 00:20, Felix Miata wrote:
> gene heskett composed on 2023-06-19 23:37 (UTC-0400):
>
>> paulf@q... wrote
>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 03:58:18 +0200 Anders Andersson wrote:
>
>>>> I've been watching this thread from afar for a while and it still
>>>> puzzles me why people keep bringing up wayland. I've been running
>>>> wayland for years, and synaptic works with no issues as far as I can
>>>> tell. Is this just FUD from a user that never tried it or is something
>>>> broken on that user's system?
>
>>> A couple of years ago, I switched to Wayland temporarily and was unable
>>> to run Synaptic (with an error message). The phenomenon is real. I
>>> don't know how you manage it. But I don't recall anyone on this thread
>>> besides you claiming it could be done.
>
>> I'm with you Paul, if Anders know how to do it, please PUBLISH the how.
>> For a while on bullseye, a "sudo -E synaptic" worked, then even that
>> died mid-bullseye, somebody plugged a perceived hole and didn't bother
>> to mention it to the many thousands of users.
>
> Why is it Gene thinks any trouble he has has anything to do with Wayland? XFCE
> doesn't run in Wayland. The only Wayland XFCE users must have is the foundation
> Wayland requires from Xorg, which no one can be rid of (nor need to), except by
> running an ancient distro from before Wayland support was stuffed into Xorg, or by
> running MacOS, BSD, OS/2, Unix or Windows.
That needs a better explanation, Felix. As I see it, wayland can't run
as root, so no app that needs root works with wayland. Since package
managers with a gui need wayland, all the package managers that do have
a gui, are now dead except gnome packages, a poor but usable substitute
whose search function seems broken to me.
KDE Plasma Discover works fine on Wayland. I use it regularly to locate software I want to install.
The only way I've found to run
aptitude is as text with the safe-upgrade option turned on, and this is
well tested here on arm64's, but I still don't trust it on x86, its gone
wild with no way to stop it on x86, tearing down the system to the point
of having to re-install. I've run it on wintel stuff maybe 12 times, but
touching the g key has equaled a reinstall every time. It does NOT
preview what its going to do, it just does it. 4 times now. That's why I
asked if it had been tamed.
Take care and stay well Felix.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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