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Re: testing wants to install systemd



Hi,
From a casual perusal of the lists systemd, seems to be getting a reputation as one of the those projects to avoid like pulse-audio and mono, but the link you sent sounds more reasonable. Is there a good balanced discussion anywhere?
James


On 20 November 2013 10:00, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 09:08 +0100, Slavko wrote:
>> Please, how useful are Arch's things for me as Debian user?
>
> My apologies Slavko, I'll rephrase it, the state of Debian's testing
> initscripts/systemd seems to be neither fish nor fowl. When I
> experienced this on Arch Linux during the transition from initscripts to
> systemd, I didn't use it for perhaps 1 year and then, when the
> transition was finished, there wasn't the choice to use initscripts or
> systemd anymore, I installed a new Arch Linux.
>
> Switching from initscripts to systemd was the only transition ever, that
> caused issues for me and I'm still not friend with systemd.

OK, so Arch transition was handled sub-optimally for you.

> since anything else but the
> speed of booting is a step in the wrong direction, instead of human
> readable scripts, one big binary blob, associated with the name Lennart
> P.. Seriously, systemd is crap,

Ralph, please write a constructive "problem" and not a
"ad-hominem against software attack" non-argument.

Especially, if you have a personal particular crappiness about
systemd, which perhaps you disagree about something here:

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

then that would be much more constructive to useful discussion.

Thanks heaps
Zenaan


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