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Re: wacky question

Since I was the one who first pointed out 1984, I guess I should add
another comment.

I do not meant we actually live in Orwell's society. I used an hyperbole
as mean to purposefully disregard the differences in fiction and point
out how far his "distopia" went on to describe something very prevalent
on our societies: surveillance and behavior control, aka, fascism, and
the use of "tech" to put this on practice.

On these topics, I would very much recommend "Surveiller et Punir" by
Michel Foucault, among others. Not that his "ouvre" would more
accurately depic our societies "high-tech" or dynamics, but it certainly
points out that behavior control and surveillance were brought up
together with humanism and enlightment.

Through Germany and Soviet Union are the only countries publicly
despised as totalitarians, fascism is something that pervades western
thought in a much more profound way and currently the states are
imposing on humanity a much greater loss than concentration camps and
gulags. Germany lost ww2, soviets lost cold war, fascism won them both.

Regards,

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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:55:44 +0200, Slavko <linux@slavino.sk> wrote:

Dňa 24. 6. 2013 2:26 Joel Rees  wrote / napísal(a):
!984 and Animal Farm were allegories of the world the authors lived in, not predictions of some dystopian future. 

These two things (author's world and prediction of the future) are not
mutual exclusive ;-)
And it's not true that we're living in Orwells 1984, we didn't in 1984 and we don't do it today, examples for steps in the other direction, e.g. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liechtenstein_women's_suffrage_referendum,_1984
1. Januar 2011 nobody in Germany is forced to join the armed forces anymore, I still got a criminal record a little bit after 1984 for not doing this.
Please don't claim that everything is that evil. I'm fighting for human rights etc. and I'm an anarchist, but western democracy, with all it's negative aspects isn't that totalitarian as many people claim.
People who are 30, 40 and more years old might remember that some years ago gays, women, people with a black skin etc. had a much harder life, see above, Liechtenstein women's suffrage referendum and than google for Sharia.
I agree that what the NSA and others do is wrong, bad, evil, but note, women get allowed to vote and the Islamic nations want to obtrude the Sharia.
If we criticize on side, we need to take a look at the whole situation. We don't live in Orwells 1984 and we have people who will force us to follow their religious crap, they terrorize us.
Don't get me wrong, we should fight for data protection, we should criticize our governments, they aren't our leaders, they are our employees. We have much mafis we shouldn't have, bankers, foot mafi etc., but we are free to fight against this. Muck in, do social work etc. and don't claim we are living in dictatorships. We don't life in little ponyland, but that is something different to a dictatorships.
And if people won't muck in they simply could stop too use latest Zuckerberg crap etc..
Don't say "the politicians are evil" and then "I won't be self-responsible, I want politicians who do everything for me". 


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