Re: has your squeeze ever crashed?
On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 12:26 -0500, Yaro Kasear wrote:
> On 03/13/2013 12:19 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Yaro Kasear <yaro@marupa.net> wrote:
> >> On 03/13/2013 10:53 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>> Long Wind wrote:
> >>>> linux is stable, or is it?
> >>>> flash player
> >>>
> >>> Linux is stable and flash player isn't Linux, flash player development for
> >>> Linux already is dropped, there will be no future versions for Linux. If
> >>> people want Microsoft/Apple, regarding to Apple flash player is a bad
> >>> example ;), they should use Microsft/Apple. Linux is an OS for itself, not a
> >>> Replacement-OS for other OS. It's a misconception.
> >>>
> >>> If you need flash player, then Linux isn't a good choice for your needs.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I'm fairly certain Adobe is still developing Flash Player for Linux and has
> >> no plans to stop
> > >From https://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html :
> >
> > "Linux
> >
> > Adobe has been working closely with Google to develop a single, modern
> > API for hosting plug-ins within the browser. The PPAPI, code-named
> > "Pepper", aims to provide a layer between the plug-in and browser that
> > abstracts away differences between browser and operating system
> > implementations. You can find more information on the Pepper API at
> > http://code.google.com/p/ppapi/.
> >
> > Because of this work, Adobe has been able to partner with Google in
> > providing a "Pepper" implementation of Flash Player for all x86/64
> > platforms supported by the Google Chrome browser. Google now
> > distributes this new Pepper-based Flash Player as part of Chrome on
> > all platforms, including Linux.
> >
> > For Flash Player releases after 11.2, the Flash Player browser plug-in
> > for Linux will only be available via the "Pepper" API as part of the
> > Google Chrome browser distribution and will no longer be available as
> > a direct download from Adobe. Adobe will continue to provide security
> > updates to non-Pepper distributions of Flash Player 11.2 on Linux for
> > five years from its release.
> >
> > Flash Player will continue to support browsers using non-"Pepper"
> > plug-in APIs on platforms other than Linux.
> >
> > Adobe will not be providing a Pepper-based debug player implementation
> > of the Flash Player browser plug-in on Linux.
> >
> > As of Adobe AIR 3, Adobe has discontinued support for Adobe AIR for
> > Linux operating systems."
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kelly
> >
> >
> That's still a far cry from NO FLASH EVER FOR LINUX, which was the
> original assertion. Just "no Flash outside of Chrome." Further, the
> citation you gave doesn't say that Flash users outside of Chrome are cut
> off entirely, they just won't get NEW Flash. Apparently security updates
> are still a go.
>
> Knowing the ingenuity of Linux users, hackers, and developers, someone
> will find a way to get this "Pepper" thing working on Firefox.
>
> Further, it's still not a big thing. Gnash, while certainly not up to
> par with Flash itself, is fine for most usage. And another couple years
> will see HTML 5 supercede Flash anyway. As for AIR... I can't think of a
> single Linux app I use that actually deployed it, except maybe Hulu
> Desktop (Did that use AIR?) So is that even a loss?
Again, it's important to understand that for some things Flash or Chrom,
not Chromium, is needed. I don't know if Chrome really does support
everything, but Gnash and even HTML5 AFAIK don't. We aren't talking
about watching a "normal" video.
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