Mitchell Laks wrote:
On Friday 10 February 2006 03:42 am, Andreas Janssen wrote:Hello Mitchell Laks (<mlaks@verizon.net>) wrote:Now we cant upgrade debian provided kernels beyond 2.6.11 without udev? Why is this a prerequisite?? I can install my own kernel without it.Of course you can. Debian kernels (even 2.6.15) work fine without udev and don't depend on it. What you can't do is: 1. try to make kernels >= 2.6.12 work with udev from sargeMy main point is that there is something wrong with the default setups given to us with udev. Currently, udev breaks such basic things as installing raids and installing sound. That is crazy. udev replaces a static directory that just works with a dynamic directory. I think that is great, in principle." debian kernel upgrade > 2.6.12 forces you to install udev " by that I mean - if you blow away udev because of what I said, then debian has udev as a prerequisite for the later kernels and apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12+ from sid (i guess now) forced you to reinstall udev (at least this was true last time I tried it - I now just compile my own kernel in frustration). WHY? In fact you dont need udev - I know this - I am running 2.6.15-3 without udev thank your very much.However, before udev is foisted upon the masses it should come configured so that all the basic static devices we have gotten used to in normal life will work without breaking (I am talking static devices - raid and sound here not hotplugging in exotic devices and expecting constant names - which is something someone can play with if they want it), and then we can use whatever "powers" we have grown with udev to move on to higher levels - if we choose to...Static devices should have some kind of autoconfig in the udev installation I guess.I should think that this would be a basic requirement. Otherwise udev should be strictly optional and not required at all in normal life.MItchell
"Last time" (TM) I tried udev it was a disaster. I now run 2.6.15-ck3 w/o udev. Everything fine.
This subject keeps coming up and as I watch the threads AFAICS udev's rationale is architectural. Better for the world ultimately, but as of yet a headache for the "common user", most of the time?, many times?, sometimes?
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2. install hotplug and udev at the same time (unless both is from sarge) 3. keep your hotplug configuration files around after it was removed when your udev package gor upgraded (you are told so during udev installation). Purge the hotplug package. best regards Andreas Janssen -- Andreas Janssen <andreas.janssen@bigfoot.com> PGP-Key-ID: 0xDC801674 ICQ #17079270 Registered Linux User #267976 http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps-sarge.html