Ah ok, sorted dunno wat it was but i dl'ed the coreutils deb file and reinstalled it with dpkg, seems to have fixed the problem... i wonder wat it was though? very odd! nevermind.. its sorted now and im happy :P ===== .'' ` . Edward Parris : :' : Debian Linux : http://www.debian.org : How Gnu are You? `. `'` `- ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com