I can get tar to not change the atime on a backup with the --atime-preserve flag. However, that makes it change the ctime, to do that. Is there another way around this, to not change either of them? Tripwire and aide go nuts when your ctime changes every day. Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org