Re: pythonX.Y maintenance team
On Saturday, May 12, 2012 09:46:55 AM Sandro Tosi wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>
wrote:
> > On Friday, April 13, 2012 08:37:26 AM Sandro Tosi wrote:
> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 23:35, Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>
wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:04:33 PM Sandro Tosi wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 22:50, Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >> >> > On Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:20:04 PM Sandro Tosi wrote:
> >> >> >> To give a (fresh) example and what I meant above, you can try to
> >> >> >> answer this provocative question: Why Ubuntu has Python 2.7.3 since
> >> >> >> more than 2 days (even before it was publicly announced) while
> >> >> >> Debian
> >> >> >> is still stuck with a RC, FingTBFS on 4 archs version?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Probably because Ubuntu is a day before final freeze for a release.
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > virtually always upload stuff to Debian first where I'm the Debian
> >> >> > maintainer for a package, but there are legitimate reasons why in
> >> >> > some
> >> >> > cases that's not the best way to go about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> exactly my point as in "that usually means there are different
> >> >> priorities
> >> >> when working for Debian over Ubuntu"
> >> >>
> >> >> > We all get busy with $DAYJOB every now and then and that's OK.
> >> >>
> >> >> funny how in this case the dayjob overlaps the "hobby", so I guess one
> >> >> could have achieved the best for both distro with minimal effort (as
> >> >> the changelog for previous syncs suggest) but decided to just go with
> >> >> one only.
> >> >
> >> > It's not that simple. Depending on the timing of various processes in
> >> > Debian/Ubuntu there can be a substantial (as much as a day) delay from
> >> > Debian upload to when a package can be synced into Ubuntu. When you're
> >> > only two or three days from a freeze, that can be unacceptable.
> >>
> >> I see; another point for having Debian maintainers whose main interest
> >> is making Debian the best distro.
> >
> > That or people in Debian with just a slight bit of perspective that it's
> > not the only thing that matters. There are good and valid reasons to
> > upload to Ubuntu first. There are times when people get busy with work.
> > There are also times when the only 'solution' available is a short term
> > hack that's needed for Ubuntu's time based release schedule that isn't
> > appropriate to Debian's approach of doing things right and releasing when
> > ready.
> >
> > I'm not saying that there have never been delays that weren't ideal, but I
> > think in this case you're trying to make a point out of a small matter.
>
> 1 month and counting, and FTBFS fixed by a NMU.
You rather miss my point. Sorry for not being clear. The point isn't that
the current maintenance of the python interpreter packages is great. It's
not. The point is whining about something two days after it's in Ubuntu and
not Debian is premature.
Even if the current maintenance level were to improve, it looks to me like
it's very unlikely you'll ever be satisfied.
Scott K
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