Re: Four days
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Asheesh Laroia <email@example.com> wrote:
And what other cultural improvements can we make to debian-mentors? What
else can we do to make this place supportive and helpful for the progress of
y'all mentees into sparkly Debian contributors and developers?
Not something that is implemented overnight, but I think there should
be a solution for new packages which are often useful for users, but
not (yet?) up to debian high standards. I really like the way ubuntu's
launchpad ppas are set up: anyone with an account can create an
archive and upload his source packages.
If such an archive gives the chance to users to report bugs and also
the usage (eg popcon, download stats) of packages in that archive, it
could be used by sponsors to pick packages which actually have users.
And if it is not picked up by a sponsor at least the users can enjoy
the packaging work which was done.
Apart from that, I believe users in some cases better reviewers than
sponsors. A sponsor may complain about the standards version which is
not up to date with the latest version and/or some lintian errors, but
may not notice bugs which really limit the usability of the
One could argue that such a packages - if they had a copyright review
- could go to experimental, but if a system like launchpad ppas would
exist (where you can upload new versions of a package without needing
a sponsor) the barrier is lowered even more.
What I dislike about this ppa system (and coming more on topic) is
that it does not really encourage towards becoming an official package
and also doesn't learn about how to work with these official packages.
Eg closing bugs by doing an upload, ...
That's a really good set of ideas. I really like the point that users know
what's wrong with a program! And you make a good point that packaging
work, even if it is not ready for the archive, can help users quite a bit.
http://debexpo.workaround.org/ is the homepage for a 2008 Summer of Code
project that was a redesigned mentors.debian.net website. I'm trying to
get to know the codebase so I can write up some guides for how people can
I think that the plan for debexpo is to have that sort of personal package
archive functionality in there.
I bet that we can get debexpo finished and usable within a month (even if
that means disabling features that aren't usable yet). So this is the
Asheesh promise of October: debexpo by November 5.
And I can use y'all's help in succeeding at it. (-: If you want to grab
the source now, then by all means go ahead. First things first, you should
grab it and try to see if the test suite passes.
You need more time; and you probably always will.
- Four days
- From: Asheesh Laroia <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Re: Four days
- From: Johan Van de Wauw <email@example.com>