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Re: Software definition, was: A possible GFDL compromise



On 15 Sep 2003, Mathieu Roy wrote:

> MJ Ray <markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk> a tapoté :
> 
> > On 2003-09-15 07:40:04 +0100 Mathieu Roy <yeupou@gnu.org> wrote:
> > >         - But it may also means that the only content that can be on a
> > >           Debian CD must be software under the definition that I
> > >           copied from two dictionnaries in the mail I just sent. [...]
> > 
> > For one, I cannot understand where you get this requirement.
> > 
> > Curiously, dicofr.com claims that "logiciel" was defined in 1967 by
> > Philippe Renard as a direct replacement for the English meaning, as
> > the intangible part of the computer, but then goes on to say it is now
> > a synonym for program.  My nearby copy of Larousse and
> > francophonie.hachette-livre.fr only have the program meaning.  Maybe
> > French has become corrupted, similar to some English dictionaries?
> > Someone with more resources
> 
> 
> I do not need dicofr to define the word Logiciel.
> 
> But anyway, the following is the definition of the Academie Française:
> 
>         
>         1)*LOGICIEL n. m. XXe siècle. Dérivé de logique.
> 
>         INFORM. Ensemble structuré de programmes remplissant une
>         fonction déterminée, permettant l'accomplissement d'une tâche
>         donnée. Logiciel de traitement de texte, de dessin. Logiciel
>         éducatif, pédagogique. Logiciel de simulation, de jeu. Le
>         logiciel d'exploitation d'un ordinateur. Il s'est substitué à
>         l'anglais Software, qui n'a plus à être employé.
> 
> 
> It's pretty clear. You may claim that the Academie Française and all
> the  French people use a corrupted definition of Logiciel (it's not
> that the etymology would says). But the French language is made by the
> French and by the Academie Française.
> 

I think you missed the point.  I believe the point was that logiciel was
originally intended as a replacement for "software", but now seems to be
more of a replacement for "program".  Hence not being a replacement for
"Software" in the DFSG.  L'Academie can say it is a replacement for
software all they want, but if it doesn't mean the same thing, then it
clearly isn't.

-- Keith



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