Re: Latest Mandrake
Hi,
Toni Mueller wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 06:07:45PM +0200, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> > The guys who used it could start "net sharing" without editing any
>
> what's "net sharing"?
>
That's what read on the darkconf applet I guess. You know, sharing a
single internet connection... I guess you need IP masq. for
that. I'd set it up on debian when we had two PCs at home.
> > to other people (using windows) with dhcp. And surely, those people
>
> DHCP I find mediocre of not _much_ value (at least it lacks some
> nice features compared to bootp and in the implementation that
> shipped with potato).
>
DHCP is more recent and widely accepted, and more general BTW.
AFAIK, BOOTP is kind of obsolete. I still use BOOTP on the cluster
but would like to upgrade to using DHCP.
> > would probably not be able to do it by themselves. They would need
> > a horrible "linux system administrator" guy who would configure the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That would be me...
> What's your profession?
>
Doin' some sysadmin tasks for helping people in the dept. but otherwise
I'm a programmer and student.
> > it would add many many points to debian's value. It seemed to me as a
> > config tool that was concerned about the user, which is something I
> > haven't seen for ages in config tools.
>
> Umm, you don't sometimes touch a "Wizard" as of M$-speak? They also
> take care of the user, or at least of the problem of stopping the
> user to do something.
>
No, well the wizards are phenomenal in that they prevent the user
from using some features or restraining the way with which she interacts
with the configuration. That program doesn't.
> > Well, in a way, stuff like internationalization works... Whatever good
>
> It's probably something to do with that infamous "volunteer effort".
>
What I mean is: on my woody box I probably have to do a lot of reading and
tweaking and stupid editing to enable the gnome keyboard switching applet
or you know using that other language for my programs...
> > My suggestion is this:
> > * A group works out certain "scenario"s. Certain common tasks that
> > a debian user should be able to perform easily.
> > * Works them out in such a way that all relevant subsystems are enhanced
> > to make that scenario happen.
>
> ... and yield complete(ly) unusable menus for every window manager on the
> system...
>
Why should that be implemented as menus? I don't see a reason. But GUIs for
GNOME, KDE, plain X11 and console would be good. And BTW, I'm not referring
to debconf here in case you haven't noticed. This is not about the glorious
menu hack that is debconf ;) these are things that might require changes
to multiple packages. This is more about co-ordination. The implementation
might not even be visible as a separate entity.
> > Example: _no_ kernel recompilation to have "net sharing". Whatever,
> > the specifics aren't important.
>
> If you by any means mean "doing NAT for shared Internet access", then you
> don't need to recompile a Debian kernel, too. Just (if you use 2.2.17)
> load the modules, set the appropriate rules, and off you go. Setting up
> basic DHCP should also be a matter of some 30 minutes at most.
>
The thing is on Mandrake that happened almost instantly, it took no more
than a minute or two.
Thanks,
--
Eray (exa) Ozkural
Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara
e-mail: erayo@cs.bilkent.edu.tr
www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo
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