Bug#225244: installation-reports: Install on Medion Titanium 8080XL (ATI 9800) incl. FritzCard DSL
> INSTALL REPORT
>
> Debian-installer-version: 2003-11-23 01:42 sarge-i386-netinst.iso
> (105MB,beta1)
> uname -a: Linux localhost 2.4.22-1-386 #9 Sat Oct 4 14:30:39 EST 2003
> i686 GNU/Linux
> Date: 2003-12-25 22:20
>
> Machine: Medion Titanium 8080 XL
> Processor: Pentium 4 3 GHz (family 15, model 2, stepping 9) with HT
> Memory: 512 MB
> Root Device: IDE: /dev/hda
> Root Size/partition table:
>
> Disk /dev/hda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/hda1 * 1 9732 78172258+ 7 HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/hda2 9733 19457 78116062+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/hda5 9733 9981 2000061 82 Linux swap
> /dev/hda6 9982 18692 69971076 83 Linux
> /dev/hda7 18693 19457 6144831 b W95 FAT32
>
> /etc/fstab:
>
> /dev/hda6 / reiserfs defaults 0 1
> /dev/hda5 none swap sw 0 0
> /dev/floppy/0 /floppy auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
> /dev/hdb /cdrom auto ro,user,noauto 0 0
> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
>
> Output of lspci:
>
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P Processor to I/O Controller
> (rev 02)
> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P Processor to AGP Controller
> (rev 02)
> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (rev 02)
> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (rev 02)
> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (rev 02)
> 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB (rev 02)
> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB USB2 (rev 02)
> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB/EB PCI Bridge (rev c2)
> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB LPC Interface Controller (rev 02)
> 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controller
> (rev 02)
> 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801EB SMBus Controller (rev 02)
> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB AC'97 Audio
> Controller (rev 02)
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350
> [Radeon 9800]
> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon
> 9800] (Secondary)
> 02:00.0 Network controller: Harris Semiconductor D-Links DWL-g650 A1
> (rev 01)
> 02:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-7850 (rev 03)
> 02:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7134 (rev 01)
> 02:03.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors: Unknown device
> 5402 (rev 83)
> 02:04.0 Communication controller: Intel Corp. 536EP Data Fax Modem
> 02:09.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6105 [Rhine-III]
> (rev 8b)
> 02:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host
> Controller (rev 46)
>
> Output of lspci -n:
>
> 00:00.0 Class 0600: 8086:2570 (rev 02)
> 00:01.0 Class 0604: 8086:2571 (rev 02)
> 00:1d.0 Class 0c03: 8086:24d2 (rev 02)
> 00:1d.1 Class 0c03: 8086:24d4 (rev 02)
> 00:1d.2 Class 0c03: 8086:24d7 (rev 02)
> 00:1d.3 Class 0c03: 8086:24de (rev 02)
> 00:1d.7 Class 0c03: 8086:24dd (rev 02)
> 00:1e.0 Class 0604: 8086:244e (rev c2)
> 00:1f.0 Class 0601: 8086:24d0 (rev 02)
> 00:1f.1 Class 0101: 8086:24db (rev 02)
> 00:1f.3 Class 0c05: 8086:24d3 (rev 02)
> 00:1f.5 Class 0401: 8086:24d5 (rev 02)
> 01:00.0 Class 0300: 1002:4e48
> 01:00.1 Class 0380: 1002:4e68
> 02:00.0 Class 0280: 1260:3890 (rev 01)
> 02:01.0 Class 0100: 9004:5078 (rev 03)
> 02:02.0 Class 0480: 1131:7134 (rev 01)
> 02:03.0 Class 0480: 1131:5402 (rev 83)
> 02:04.0 Class 0780: 8086:1040
> 02:09.0 Class 0200: 1106:3106 (rev 8b)
> 02:0a.0 Class 0c00: 1106:3044 (rev 46)
>
> Note: Special ATI Radeon 9800 Pro variant: -20Mhz chipclock,
> -70Mhz memclock
>
> Base System Installation Checklist:
>
> Initial boot worked: [O]
> Configure network HW: [?C]
> Config network: [E]
> Detect CD: [OC]
>
> Load installer components: [R]
> Choose a mirror: [OC]
> Configure a network using static addressing [OC]
> Detect HW: [OC]
> Detect hard drives: [O]
> Partition hard drives: [OC]
> Create file systems: [OC]
> Mount partitions: [OC]
> Install base system: [O]
> Install boot loader: [OC]
> Reboot: [O]
> Time Zone Configuration: [OC]
> Password setup: [OC]
> Apt Configuration: [OC]
> Configure Exim4-config: [E]
>
> [O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
> -> [OC] = OK+Comment,
> -> [R] = Roll back (was too difficult, and already done, went back to
> main menu)
> -> [?C] = Do not know if successful, it is not shown to me, plus comment
> Comments/Problems:
>
> Initial Welcome page: In the last line I would write "to install"
> instead of "to boot"
>
> Choose language: It should be possible to choose a language different
> from the locale (papersize, location, currency) and
> keyboard layout.
> Eventually you could show settings (pressing ENTER
> would accept these), so they could be overridden.
> The second stage "Select Keyboard" should not be
> jumped over.
The whole language/country/keyboard configuration is currently been rethought.
Please have a look at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/debian-boot-200401/msg02753.html
> Different profiles should be offered: home desktop, corporate desktop,
> server
> home: us: modem, cable modem, DSL
> de: router (NAT): modem, ISDN, ADSL (Fritz card DSL with
> proprietary module or DSL modem/router with/without
> DHCP), SDSL with SDSL modem incl. router (QSC)
> firewall configuration (ppp0) blocking connection
> attempts from outside (secure and does not need user
> interaction)
> desktop: internal network, 192.168.0.x
> corporate desktop: LAN desktop (not necesserily 192.168.0.x) or
> router (NAT), proxy configuration
>
> desktop: X (autodetected), Gnome or KDE, OpenOffice, Mozilla
>
> My profile: home, router, desktop, de.
> router:
> HW: AVM Fritz card DSL needing fcdsl.o/capi20,
> firewall blocking incoming connections needed,
> security: kernel 2.4.23 or 2.6.0 needed (brk() leak)
> AVM does not support 2.6.0 yet, unfortunately.
> home: 192.168.0.x (router 192.168.0.1, other: DHCP or
> static: ask)
Interesting, but wont be realized any soon.
> Detect network hardware: show result and wait a second.
> I do not know if it was successful or not.
> Do not start DHCP detection if
> "Detect a network" is chosen (a single
> function).
>
> Error: Configure the network using dynamic addressing (DHCP): This is
> the router, I do not have an external router. Can be seen by
> asking for a profile or by scanning PCI bus and detecting an
> ISDN/DSL card (scan bus and preselect "router" profile if found
> one of those cards, this is best I think). Offer installing a
> DHCP server for a router.
> For home profile, preselect NAT and 192.168.0.x as network, for
> corporate profile, ask the size of the network and offer NAT,
> allow entering a network address in any case ("Change settings"
> dialog).
>
> In case of errors, the Installer main menu is shown. Already configured
> tasks should be printed in green, with a (set) appended (for color blind
> users). An error is an error in the installer (a usability problem), or
> a hardware problem (difficult to detect, a built in hardware component
> test would be nice, some time in the future :) ).
The color/set stuff seems a good idea. But as novice (the standart
installation mode now, which shows very few questions) the main menu isn't
shown at all. This means if everything works ok, you just get asked a few
questions, one after the other.
> I choose "Detect CDROM devices and mount the CD", and the installer
> still tries to reach a DHCP server.
> This makes no sense, it cannot work. The user cannot say that there is
> no DHCP server (i.e. by choosing profile "router").
>
> Selecting "Choose a mirror" again leads to DHCP detection. This time I
> can enter a hostname.
>
> "Load installer components": state should be shown, append i.e. (CDROM).
> Components should be loaded automatically (like in Knoppix, Gnoppix,
> Morphix).
The "Load installer components" is not shown anymore by default (remember: no
main-menu anymore)
> I continue with "Configure a network using static addressing".
> For "router" and "home", 192.168.0.1 should be the default value, for
> "desktop" and "home" and not "router", 192.168.0. should be the default
> value if DHCP is not used. Easy configuration should depend on DHCP
> (why reinvent the wheel, scanning the network for the next free address
> is overkill IMHO).
> For profile "home" no network administrator is available, simply suggest
> "192.168.0.x" and "255.255.255.0". For "router", clear gateway and
> suggest leaving it blank. People who still need a gateway know something
> about the corporate network. Or the profile could be split in: "dial-up
> router" and "LAN router".
> For "dial-up router", the name servers normally are given in the PPP
> connection by the peer (usepeerdns). I never got this to work, that
> /etc/resolv.conf is replaced dynamically. But this is important for
> usability. Domain name: Is it possible to work without one? For the
> internal network only the hostname is enough. For "corporate" profile
> this setting is useful. The dial up connection often is accompanied by
> a dynamic DNS name. This should be set on the router for outside
> traffic, so that reverse DNS lookups can succeed.
> "Currently configured network parameters":
> pointopoint = <none>
> I have not been asked, but I want ppp over capi20/Fritz DSL.
>
> I continue with "Detect HW", "Choose a mirror" is shown instead. I
> select the sane default "DE". Now I am asked for the distribution. If I
> select "sid", the packages from the sarge installation CD are not
> installed. This decision should not influence CD installation. It can
> be asked and set after first reboot, or not if the user explicitly
> states so (and does know that the hardware is too new for testing, and
> does know that unstable can make the system unusable one day or the
> other). Now, "Partition a hard drive" is shown.
> Show disk manufacturer followed by model and size, leaving technical
> details (/dev/ide/...) in parantheses.
There is a new partitionmanager tools in d-i now. Should be much more user
friendly. But not the default yet.
> Partition hard drives:
> cfdisk is too difficult to use. First give a suggestion
> which can be accepted by ENTER. Unfortunately, the
> harddisk of the Medion PC does not have free partitions.
> The contents of the tools partition have to be copied
> to the sys partition. Both partitions are NTFS, which
> Linux cannot write to reliably yet. So the user should
> boot Windows and copy the files over (give drive
> letters for from: and to: partition, so that the user
> can do it easily). The installation state has to be
> stored somewhere, this is difficult. The only chance
> seems to be to detect all this without user interaction
> and configure the network later. The user can start
> over without having the hassle to enter things again.
> A small rescue partition (0x0b,FAT32) should be left
> alone. The tools partition is about 70 GB with only
> 2 GB used for tools (they must be copied over as
> mentioned).
As said before, try the new partition manager, no cfdisk anymore.
> Configure and Mount Partitions:
> As partition usage is not known beforehand, one
> partition for swap (2 GB for HDDs with >= 40 GB free
> space) and one partition for root (the rest) should
> be suggested. A suitable filesystem should be suggested
> as well. I think reiserfs is very good, but XFS may be
> an alternative. ext2 is not so good for partitions
> of 50-60 GB size I think (I do not know). File system
> check at boot time every 20-25 reboots is very annoying
> and should be avoided. The user is in a hurry and...
ext3 is available now too. Not sure about raiserfs. XFS has been requested,
will be supported too in the future I guess...
> Install boot loader:
> The devices should be displayed as
> producer,model,size,number (technical devfs path).
> A note should say it is ok to press ENTER to install
> a boot menu. Windows should be autodetected and
> entered in the boot configuration as well.
>
> Finish the installation and reboot:
> The wrong CD drive tray is opened. Accidentally, I
> have inserted the installation CD in the DVD burner,
> not the DVD ROM drive. The fstab should contain
> the right order (/dev/cdrom for CDROM, /dev/cdrecorder
> for CD/DVD burner). Using any of them should work,
> but only the CD tray of the drive actually containing
> the CD should be opened.
This has been fixed.
> Time Zone Configuration:
> Because Windows XP is preinstalled, the hardware clock
> is set to local time. I want to set it to UTC, and set
> the time. This is not possible. A date and a time field
> could be shown in console. An X installer frontend can
> offer more convenient dialogs. Most users do not care
> about UTC, but still the date/time can be wrong.
>
> Select a city or time zone:
> A country should be offered if timezone does not differ
> inside country. So instead of "Berlin", "Germany"
> should be shown. Alternatively, it would be nice to
> select UTC+-x directly (with daylight saving changes
> checkbox).
The timezone handling is being rethought together with the language/country
staff.
> Password setup:
> Show asterisks for any letters entered, so that the
> user knows how many letters she has entered.
> Allow more user accounts to be created.
>
> Apt Configuration:
> The sarge installation CD is fully installed. No other
> CD is probably available. In this case, please suggest
> 'ftp' or 'http' only. Selecting 'ftp' or 'http'
> without network access should be possible (a warning
> is appropriate).
>
> Configure Exim4-config:
> Not needed for desktop system, because there are
> several mail clients out there which can be configured
> easily. For server systems, it can be configured.
> Recommend local (so that exim4 is satisfied).
The exim4 configuration should be easier now, just very few questions.
> Note: A firewall has to be installed first before bringing up ppp (see
> above).
>
> I would like to help in the effort to make Debian Linux more
> usable for casual users. This is a very long report, but many tasks
> had to be done to get the PC of my father working (that he is
> satisfied as a casual user).
Thanx for this (long) bugreport. Quite some things changed since you did this
report. We'd like if you could try the new version of d-i and write a new
installation report.
Simon
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