[gopher] Re: Gopherness
So gopher as it stands needs internationalization?
I'm having trouble following a lot of these emails
but i'm trying =3D-)
Matt
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Nuno J. Silva <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrot=
e:
> JumpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com>
> writes:
>
>> --- On Mon, 8/4/08, Nuno J. Silva
>> <nunojsilva@ist.utl.pt> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Jay Nemrow" <jnemrow@quix.us> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Kyevan
>>>> <kyevan@sinedev.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What about older clients, though? Modern clients will probably
>>>>> handle UTF-8 at least well enough to not explode, but older clients
>>>>> might not. Generally, it seems safest to stick to the subset that
>>>>> is ASCII when reasonable, only using UTF-8 or such when it's
>>>>> actually needed. ... is a perfectly readable replacement for
>>>>> U+2026, even if it's not "typographically correct." On the other
>>>>> hand, if you're trying to post a text in, say, a mix of Arabic, and
>>>>> Klingon, go right ahead and use UTF-8.
>>>
>>> There are also these iso* charsets which just use 8 bit to encode the
>>> text, not allowing a greater collection of characters, and using
>>> those you wouldn't be able to mix charsets.
> <snip/>
>>> On the other hand, even if the choice was utf8 (so the documents would
>>> be ASCII or utf8), I'd keep iso* support, just in case (therefore my
>>> question is 'should we use the same sort of character encoding when
>>> publishing non-english documents? if yes, which one?' and not 'what
>>> should a client support?').
>>>
>>> What's the actual scenario? Is there any client which crashes due to
>>> utf8? Which clients are not able to render it correctly? And what
>>> about iso* charsets support?
>>
>> How would we print a Gopher retreived text document on, for example,
>> an older (or mini-mainframe) computer which only uses a Daisy Wheel
>> Printer or Teletype Printer (which ONLY supports ASCII characters)?
>
> If the documents (in any of the mentioned encodings) have non-ASCII
> characters, the behaviour is undefined (e.g., if the machine ignores the
> 8th bit, another characters will be rendered instead of the desired ones)=
.
>
> But there's nothing we can do about that, except writing some script to
> replace the existing non-ASCII characters with some ASCII description.
>
> Avoiding the use of non-ASCII characters is, of course, a good
> idea. But, if there's some document in a non-western language, or a
> language which requires another alphabet, it's impossible to use ASCII
> in that situation.
>
> <snip/>
>
> --
> Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg)
> LEIC student at Instituto Superior T=E9cnico
> Lisbon, Portugal
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