On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 10:47:43 +0200 Samuel Thibault <sthibault@debian.org> wrote: > > > more than necessary, and taking a lot of disk space (seen 82M here) for > > > no reason, thus moving the "embedded" barrier yet higher for Debian. I would say that this is at best misdirection - there are numerous ways to sort out download size issues for embedded systems, none of which require changes to apt. There can be other problems with apt on embedded, but those have nothing to do with translated descriptions and I'm waiting until after the release before setting aside time for reporting/discussing those. > > No reason indeed if your only target audience is a crowd of people who > > perfectly speak English (en_US) and can choose packages just by looking > > at a short description. (Many embedded systems do not allow any part of the base OS to be visible, let alone translated. The only translations are in the top level UI and no users get to see the base system, ever, so there is no problem here. This is why manpages and translations can be trivially removed in Emdebian - the "user" is never allowed to login. Any translations are constrained only to the single UI.) Embedded devices do not typically expose a package manager via the UI - typically because the embedded device has no direct connectivity - so this is a complete red herring. Developer boards do not determine what is useful for embedded systems in general. > <sarcastic too>There is no reason to download all languages unless you > target the very few people who can speak all languages the descriptions > have been translated to.</sarcastic too> > > > Embedded systems aren't in any way less supported than before by this. > > 82M clearly hurts. Really. That's like 15% of the installation size! Embedded systems can just turn off the downloads entirely or use packages from Emdebian which do not provide the translations *and* give you a 40% smaller download in the first place, etc.etc. Whatever other reasons there may be for this bug, I would recommend that the "embedded barrier" argument is entirely false and should be ignored for this issue. If 82Mb is 15% of your installation size, you should be considering Emdebian which can get your entire installation below 100Mb or ~200Mb with an X server. That is not a problem with apt, it's a problem of selecting a different apt source and/or existing apt config options. -- Neil Williams ============= http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/
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