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Bug#489503: marked as done (apt: There is no easy way to avoid unwanted but "recommended" extra packages)



Your message dated Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:31:52 +0300
with message-id <796aed870807060531w48d8d805mb6c2b778d53f41f9@mail.gmail.com>
and subject line Re: Bug#489503: apt: There is no easy way to avoid unwanted but "recommended" extra packages
has caused the Debian Bug report #489503,
regarding apt: There is no easy way to avoid unwanted but "recommended" extra packages
to be marked as done.

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--- Begin Message ---
Package: apt
Version: 0.7.11
Severity: normal


apt-get (and aptitude) needs an option for only installing hard
dependencies. That is, those dependencies that must be satisfied or
the package can't work. Something like --no-recommended.

I consider this a bug, not merely a wishlist item, because:

* Current apt install not only the needed extra packages, but 
  "recommended" but not really necessary packages as well. 
  This is easy to see as the unwanted packages can be removed
  later without also removing the package I wanted.
* This is a problem when installing small embedded machines. The
  current workaround is to delete all unwanted packages later,
  but that is cumbersome when a single apt-get may pull in
  a couple of unneeded packages that depends on 20-30 other
  unwanted packages. And it is a waste of bandwidth and time too.

Example:
I installed a machine that is mostly a router, but it also runs gpsd
so I can see where it is. 

Unfortunately, installing "gpsd" pull in "gpsd-clients", which has
dependencies on x11-common and a whole lot of other X-related packages.

But this machine does not run X! So I had to delete all those packages
manually later. And so on for some other software as well, and so on
when upgrading . . .

Now, I understand that most people will want gpsd-clients along with
gpsd, so having this as default behaviour is fine with me. But
having the ability to do 
"apt-get install --no-recommended gpsd" and _only_ get gpsd and libgps17
would be ideal.

Another possible workaround that avoids bandwith wasting is to
download packages one by one and install using dpkg. That is very
cumbersome for packages that has many dependencies - exactly the reason
for having "apt" in the first place.


Helge Hafting



-- Package-specific info:

-- apt-config dump --

APT "";
APT::Architecture "amd64";
APT::Build-Essential "";
APT::Build-Essential:: "build-essential";
APT::Install-Recommends "1";
APT::Install-Suggests "0";
APT::Acquire "";
APT::Acquire::Translation "environment";
APT::Cache-Limit "141943904";
APT::NeverAutoRemove "";
APT::NeverAutoRemove:: "^linux-image.*";
APT::NeverAutoRemove:: "^linux-restricted-modules.*";
Dir "/";
Dir::State "var/lib/apt/";
Dir::State::lists "lists/";
Dir::State::cdroms "cdroms.list";
Dir::State::userstatus "status.user";
Dir::State::status "/var/lib/dpkg/status";
Dir::Cache "var/cache/apt/";
Dir::Cache::archives "archives/";
Dir::Cache::srcpkgcache "srcpkgcache.bin";
Dir::Cache::pkgcache "pkgcache.bin";
Dir::Etc "etc/apt/";
Dir::Etc::sourcelist "sources.list";
Dir::Etc::sourceparts "sources.list.d";
Dir::Etc::vendorlist "vendors.list";
Dir::Etc::vendorparts "vendors.list.d";
Dir::Etc::main "apt.conf";
Dir::Etc::parts "apt.conf.d";
Dir::Etc::preferences "preferences";
Dir::Bin "";
Dir::Bin::methods "/usr/lib/apt/methods";
Dir::Bin::dpkg "/usr/bin/dpkg";
Dir::Log "var/log/apt";
Dir::Log::Terminal "term.log";
DPkg "";
DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs "";
DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs:: "/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt || exit 10";
DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs:: "/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";
DPkg::Tools "";
DPkg::Tools::Options "";
DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs "";
DPkg::Tools::Options::/usr/sbin/apt-listbugs::Version "2";
DPkg::Post-Invoke "";
DPkg::Post-Invoke:: "if [ -x /usr/bin/debsums ]; then /usr/bin/debsums --generate=nocheck -sp /var/cache/apt/archives; fi";

-- /etc/apt/preferences --

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 900

Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 800

Package: *
Pin: release a=experimental
Pin-Priority: 700

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian
Pin-Priority: -10

-- /etc/apt/sources.list --

#sid=testing, sarge=unstable før.
#sarge=stable nå.


#firefox-problemet?
#Stable fins ikke for amd64 - ennå
deb  http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free

deb  http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
deb  http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
deb  http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free

#deb-src  http://amd64.debian.net/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
#deb-src http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

#Initng
#deb http://debian.space-based.de/debs/ experimental main

#Site down???
##Blackdown java:
##deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/java/debian/ testing non-free

#Ubuntu-pakker for xorg
#deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse

#Dessverre bare for i386 :-(
#vlc, libdvdcss2
#deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main
#deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch sid main

#error
#deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-amd64/arch ./

#Site down???
##Multimediating, som f.eks. vlc-greier
#deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
#deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org experimental main
#deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main  
#unstable er et spesialtilfelle:

#404
#deb http://spello.sscnet.ucla.edu/marillat/ sid main

#error
#deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (900, 'testing'), (800, 'unstable'), (700, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.25.4 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=nb_NO.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=nb_NO.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash

Versions of packages apt depends on:
ii  debian-archive-keyring   2008.04.16+nmu1 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian a
ii  libc6                    2.7-10          GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii  libgcc1                  1:4.3.0-3       GCC support library
ii  libstdc++6               4.3.0-3         The GNU Standard C++ Library v3

apt recommends no packages.

-- debconf-show failed




--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
On 7/6/08, Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@broadpark.no> wrote:
>  apt-get (and aptitude) needs an option for only installing hard
>  dependencies. That is, those dependencies that must be satisfied or
>  the package can't work. Something like --no-recommended.

Did you check the manual? This feature was added years ago, quoting
from the manual:

       -R, --without-recommends
           Do not treat recommendations as dependencies when installing new
           packages (this overrides settings in /etc/apt/apt.conf and
           ~/.aptitude/config). Packages previously installed due to
           recommendations will not be removed.

           This corresponds to the pair of configuration options
           Apt::Install-Recommends and Aptitude::Keep-Recommends.

       -r, --with-recommends
           Treat recommendations as dependencies when installing new packages
           (this overrides settings in /etc/apt/apt.conf and
           ~/.aptitude/config).

           This corresponds to the configuration option
           Apt::Install-Recommends


You have the default configuration:
>  APT::Install-Recommends "1";
>  APT::Install-Suggests "0";

Just add the following line in /etc/apt/apt.conf or in a separate file
under conf.d and that's all:
  APT::Install-Recommends "0";

BTW, if you disable the installation of recommends you should expect
that some software does NOT work out of the box. Don't do this unleas
you know what you're doing!!

Thanks


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