I'm not sure what you're asking here; what kind of meter should there be in these cases? What is there to meter? :) Ben -- Brought to you by the letters W and F and the number 2. "The spiraling shape will make you go insane!" -- They Might Be Giants Debian GNU/Linux -- where do you want to go tomorrow? http://www.debian.org/ I'm on FurryMUCK as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox.