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Package: installation-reports
Debian-installer-version: Sarge Test Candidate 1, June 8, 2004, from
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-netinst.iso
uname -a: Linux sol 2.4.26-1-386 #2 Sat May 1 16:31:24 EST 2004 i686
GNU/Linux
Date: June 8, 2004, 9:40pm
Method: From installation CD, Debian Sarge Test Candidate 1
Machine: No-name PC
Processor: Duron 800
Memory: 256 MB
Root Device: IDE /dev/hda
Root Size/partition table:
sol:/home/dustin# fdisk -l /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Mounted on
/dev/hda1 * 1 765 6144831 83 Linux unused
/dev/hda2 766 831 530145 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda3 832 1469 5124735 83 Linux /
/dev/hda4 1470 2434 7751362+ 83 Linux unused
Output of lspci:
sol:/home/dustin# lspci
pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices
0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133]
(rev 03)
0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP]
0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super
South] (rev 40)
0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C/VT8235 PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6202 [USB 2.0
controller] (rev 16)
0000:00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6202 [USB 2.0
controller] (rev 16)
0000:00:07.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super
ACPI] (rev 40)
0000:00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M
[Tornado] (rev 78)
0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
(rev 08)
0000:00:0f.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game
Port (rev 08)
0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA
TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
Base System Installation Checklist:
Initial boot worked: [O]
Configure network HW: [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD: [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives: [O]
Create file systems: [O]
Mount partitions: [O]
Install base system: [O]
Install boot loader: [O]
Reboot: [O]
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Comments/Problems:
Did a virtually default install, not creating new partitions, but I let
the installer format a partition. The initial install was flawless. I
was jumping for joy that Debian installer had finally got it right. But I
wasn't out of the woods yet!
Here are the snags I encountered:
1) Next I used "tasksel" to install these categories:
Desktop environment
Games
Linux Standard Base
Office environment
Custom kernel compilation
Debian Jr.
Scientific applications
TeX/LaTeX environment
At first, I chose the Debian mirror "mirror.direct.ca". That mirror was
missing the package libmpeg, so the apt-getting crapped out ungracefully!
Repeated attempts to download failed, even when the "apt-get update"-ing
was repeated. The problem was solved by choosing a different mirror.
**Perhaps the advice to back up a few steps and and try a different mirror
would have been helpful to more novice users, if not all packages could be
downloaded by apt.**
2) Once the actual packages were getting installed en masse (and many
packages ask questions), all of a sudden there was a huge jump in
confusion.
The questions asked during package installation, *****which novice users
will view as part of the initial install***** (even though they are
technically out of the hands of the Debian Installer) were very
novice-unfriendly.
Many packages did not offer recommendations as default answers. I can't
remember quite which ones, but any and all packages that ask questions
that are part of the tasks:
Desktop environment
Games
Linux Standard Base
Office environment
...in tasksel should refrain from asking the end user questions, or make
it very easy and dumbed down, and always recommend a default answer if
they're unsure (like the linux kernel does when you configure it). In
other words, these "critical path" packages (which every novice will
install) need to be very easy to configure at the time of package
installation.
Two prime examples:
-the package "resolvconf" should have not asked its question, it should
have just done the default thing, putting a note in a file in
/usr/share/doc/resolvconf/, which all geeks who run into a snag will
figure out to look to.
-the package xserver-xfree86 talked about the DDC protocol, then I chose
for the autodection of my monitor's powers to be attempted, then the next
thing I knew, I was being asked to chose between simple, medium, or
advanced configuring (of XF86Config). I was not told how the DDC
autodetection went!! For all I know it didn't even occur. The questions
about autodetecting got my hopes up that configuring X would be easy, but
no, I had to do it the hard way (by using advanced mode, and manually
entering my Horiz and Vert frequencies, which has been proven to be the
only way to get it right in the past). There needs to be informational
messages like "Now trying DDC detection, please wait", and "DDC detection
failed, now you'll have to configure manually.
Why can't there be a graphical config interface where you try different
modes, clicking Yes when you see the one you like, each mode temporarily
showing for 10 seconds? Every other Linux distro has this problem licked!
Configuring X has got to be easier!
3) Once I actually got to my KDE desktop, I was annoyed that there was no
menu icon anywhere for launching mozilla (like in "Internet" in the menu),
even though it's probably the most heavily used piece of Linux software of
all time. There should also be an icon on the menu bar, beside Konqueror.
Choice is good! There are other web browsers in the menu alongside
Konqueror, why not Mozilla?
4) K3B, which is the best burning software ever, should have been
installed by default under whatever task the package "grip" is under.
This is a killer app, please include it by default!! Also, the K3B should
also depend on the cdrdao package, but doesn't.
Dustin Harriman
annexia.ca
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Source: xorg
Source-Version: 1:7.3+10
We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
xorg, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:
libglu1-xorg-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/libglu1-xorg-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
libglu1-xorg_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/libglu1-xorg_7.3+10_all.deb
x11-common_7.3+10_i386.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/x11-common_7.3+10_i386.deb
xbase-clients_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xbase-clients_7.3+10_all.deb
xlibmesa-gl-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-gl-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
xlibmesa-gl_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-gl_7.3+10_all.deb
xlibmesa-glu_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-glu_7.3+10_all.deb
xlibs-data_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xlibs-data_7.3+10_all.deb
xlibs-static-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xlibs-static-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
xorg-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xorg-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
xorg_7.3+10.dsc
to pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.3+10.dsc
xorg_7.3+10.tar.gz
to pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.3+10.tar.gz
xorg_7.3+10_i386.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xorg_7.3+10_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-input-all_7.3+10_i386.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xserver-xorg-input-all_7.3+10_i386.deb
xserver-xorg-video-all_7.3+10_i386.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xserver-xorg-video-all_7.3+10_i386.deb
xserver-xorg_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xserver-xorg_7.3+10_all.deb
xutils_7.3+10_all.deb
to pool/main/x/xorg/xutils_7.3+10_all.deb
A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.
Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you
have further comments please address them to 242952@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.
Debian distribution maintenance software
pp.
David Nusinow <dnusinow@debian.org> (supplier of updated xorg package)
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administrators by mailing ftpmaster@debian.org)
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Format: 1.7
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 15:17:14 -0500
Source: xorg
Binary: xlibs-static-dev xbase-clients xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg x11-common xorg-dev xlibmesa-gl-dev xserver-xorg-input-all xutils libglu1-xorg-dev xlibmesa-glu libglu1-xorg xlibmesa-gl xorg xlibs-data
Architecture: source all i386
Version: 1:7.3+10
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: David Nusinow <dnusinow@debian.org>
Changed-By: David Nusinow <dnusinow@debian.org>
Description:
libglu1-xorg - transitional package for Debian etch
libglu1-xorg-dev - transitional package for Debian etch
x11-common - X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure
xbase-clients - miscellaneous X clients - metapackage
xlibmesa-gl - transitional package for Debian etch
xlibmesa-gl-dev - transitional package for Debian etch
xlibmesa-glu - transitional package for Debian etch
xlibs-data - transitional package for X11 client data
xlibs-static-dev - transitional metapackage
xorg - X.Org X Window System
xorg-dev - the X.Org X Window System development libraries
xserver-xorg - the X.Org X server
xserver-xorg-input-all - the X.Org X server -- input driver metapackage
xserver-xorg-video-all - the X.Org X server -- output driver metapackage
xutils - X Window System utility programs metapackage
Closes: 242952 271599 410889 442892 443397 448845
Changes:
xorg (1:7.3+10) unstable; urgency=low
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* Just write a default video card identifier
* Only run driver autodetection on sparc hardware
All other archictectures should be better supported by having the server
do it at startup.
Closes: #442892, #448845, #410889, #443397, #242952, #271599
+ Remove discover and discover1 from the xserver-xorg recommends
+ Remove autodetect_video_card and multiple_possible_x-driver templates
* Don't ask the bus ID question to anyone who it's not necessary for
Hardcoding the bus ID is bad. The server already uses the same algorithm
and more to figure out which PCI ID's have video cards, so don't replicate
it. Currently we only ask people who have ppc, SGI indigos, and multiple
heads on sparc.
* Don't write the DPMS option to the monitor section of xorg.conf.
The xserver already defaults to enabling DPMS
Files:
9873d527f4e107c45dccc3c16f1650a3 908 x11 optional xorg_7.3+10.dsc
8bbb7019d88f2d9b1d637613e06ff64c 1029898 x11 optional xorg_7.3+10.tar.gz
3c3ddab2e18eff5a39595ab9ff179e16 204656 x11 optional xserver-xorg_7.3+10_all.deb
7f6ab42f50c68911bccc439ed11d1a23 25470 x11 optional xorg-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
d62e758720a935de9651d43b5ba8cd07 25028 libs optional xlibs-data_7.3+10_all.deb
fb6d7bf3dc0fffacf08ba4b5ca1eaf57 25146 oldlibs optional xlibs-static-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
962d03b0a464c74984a36562da5f420b 25004 libs optional xlibmesa-gl_7.3+10_all.deb
68446693a1a444504cf484f0b464346d 25012 libdevel optional xlibmesa-gl-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
5b961af10efa17e90bffa5ee6a83c676 25010 libdevel optional xlibmesa-glu_7.3+10_all.deb
9736834d347473d2acd14952778dde93 24998 libs optional libglu1-xorg_7.3+10_all.deb
7c3507307ddbbbbcabc7c6c4015e692f 25008 libdevel optional libglu1-xorg-dev_7.3+10_all.deb
814e686d143bc6560dba770d8328e5ab 25238 x11 optional xbase-clients_7.3+10_all.deb
c227fa68d9c22f255c6bfca930ec6d43 25132 x11 optional xutils_7.3+10_all.deb
83437b5015225d83b4531eddd6073e71 345378 x11 optional x11-common_7.3+10_i386.deb
73be1a5f35a8ec23f784a58b9252b7db 25250 x11 optional xserver-xorg-video-all_7.3+10_i386.deb
5d69b5b0960a4921e7d5fde3f100ea6c 25082 x11 optional xserver-xorg-input-all_7.3+10_i386.deb
9195ac3dfb8c17d2e7dcf9377cfc4cc0 25308 x11 optional xorg_7.3+10_i386.deb
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