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Bug#362253: marked as done (Neither discover1, laptop-detect, mdetect nor xresprobe are needed)



Your message dated Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:07:18 -0700 (MST)
with message-id <[🔎] 20060413180716.CABG20694.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@cox.net>
and subject line Bug#362253: Neither discover1, laptop-detect, mdetect nor xresprobe are needed
has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done.

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If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the
Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith.

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Package: xserver-xorg
Version: 1:7.0.10

When I upgraded to this version of xserver-xorg, I was required to also
install discover1, discover1-data, libdiscover1, mdetect, xresprobe
laptop-detect and dmidecode as dependencies.

Debian policy states, "The Depends field should be used if the
depended-on package is required for the depending package to provide a
significant amount of functionality."

I submit that 100% of the functionality of xserver-xorg can be obtained
without any of these packages.  They are conveniences for configuration
purposes only. They bloat the system, clog the harddrive, complicate
package management, require continual maintenance, open security holes
and worst of all, slow the boot process significantly.

I don't think they even meet the requirement of Recommends or Suggests
as all these relationships are defined in terms of utility not
convenience of configuration.  But I won't quibble, if you'll please not
make them Depends.

It's interesting that packages.debian.org lists these as both Recommends
and Depends.  Perhaps this was just a slip up?


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On 13 Apr, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 05:40:03PM -0700, James Blanford wrote:
>> They bloat the system, clog the harddrive, complicate
>> package management, require continual maintenance, open security
>> holes and worst of all, slow the boot process significantly.
> 
> I think this is the sentence where I stopped paying attention, to be
> honest.
> 

That's to be expected.  My concerns are _user_ concerns not _developer_
concerns.  But, really, laptop-detect???  My three year old knows the
difference between a laptop and a desktop.

I notice you have no response to the Debian policy I quoted.  So we've
established two things:

You stop paying attention when user concerns come up.

You aren't interested in Debian policy.

>> I don't think they even meet the requirement of Recommends or
>> Suggests as all these relationships are defined in terms of utility
>> not convenience of configuration.  But I won't quibble, if you'll
>> please not make them Depends.
> 
> You are seriously suggesting that they should be removed as they serve
> no purpose, and no-one cares about configuration?

No, if I had wanted to suggest that, I would have come out and said it.
As it turns out, xserver-xorg and all the packages I listed are
unnecessary.  Close the bug.  For all I care you can make it depend on a
functioning webcam, so gamma can be adjusted for my interior lighting
scheme.

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