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Re: Debian wiki blocked on VPN

Hi Ryan

El 29/04/17 a las 09:43, Ryan Gilmartin escribió:
> Preface: This is directed at the wiki portion of the www site.
> Couldn't easily find a list for the wiki specifically. If someone else
> knows a better place for this and can forward it, please do the necessary.

This is the correct place, the debian-www list and IRC channel are for
both website and wiki.

> Hi there, long time debian user here. First installed it off a CD that
> came with a magazine in the early 2000s; Boot Magazine. Eventually
> went on to become Maximum PC . I think the first release I installed
> was potato. Anyway, point is, I swear I am not a spammer, I'm not a
> bot, I'm a legit user and advocate of debian. 

Thanks for supporting Debian!

> My current IP, is completely and utterly blocked from
> using the debian wiki. It returns error code 403 and says "<p>You are
> not allowed to access this!</p>". This is undoubtedly because I'm
> using a VPN. Most, nearly all of the time I try and access the debian
> wiki these days, I cannot, so I assume it's not just a ban of single
> IPs, but large swaths of IPs associated with a specific company or
> companies.

For solving your particular case, please write to wiki@debian.org
providing those details and hopefully they can whitelist you or the
corresponding IP range.

> I want to voice my opinion here, that this is IP bans are *never* the
> solution. Absolutely never. And banning entire ranges is so
> over-the-top ridiculous I could never expect such a lack of critical
> awareness from a project like debian. Ban based on actions, not
> locations. Make bans temporary. Have them expire after a time, since
> IP addresses can be assumed to be constantly shifting.
> I understand my VPN uses shitty hosting providers to operate their
> nodes, and those nodes' IP ranges do often get used for malicious
> stuff, but banning the entire IP range is the wrong approach. It's
> much easier, but you're blocking out potentially large numbers of
> legitimate users who could end up contributing a lot to the community.
> As privacy awareness becomes more and more of a mainstream issue, I
> assume you're going to see more and more people using VPNs, so this is
> going to become a bigger and bigger problem.
> I'd love to contribute to your wiki in a constructive way, say if I
> ever found a spelling mistake, but being a VPN user, I can not only
> not create an account or edit any page, but I can't even VIEW any
> page. The entire site gives a 403 forbidden error.

This is a (current) limitation of the underlying software of the
Debian Wiki: MoinMoin does not allow blocking only for writing. The
Debian wiki team is working to solve or workaround this.

> If this is by design, it's pigheaded and ignorant.

Please keep the conversation in a respectful tone. It will help people
to find the time and motivation to solve these wiki issues instead of
investing their free time in doing another things in Debian (or other

Best regards
Laura Arjona Reina

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