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Bug#686819: marked as done (simpler presentation of iso downloads)

Your message dated Sun, 16 Dec 2012 21:34:57 -0400
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and subject line Simplified CD presentation
has caused the Debian Bug report #686819,
regarding simpler presentation of iso downloads
to be marked as done.

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After discussion with Ben Armstrong, I'm re-sending the mail below as a
bug report, so that we've a place where to keep track of this issue. For
context, see the thread started at

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2012/08/msg00061.html

where the mail below has originally been posted.


Thanks for maintaining the website,
Cheers.


On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 08:11:13AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On 08/13/2012 05:10 AM, Philip Hands wrote:
> > While contrasting with Ubuntu, there is also the issue of Debian
> > Live CDs which are close to impossible to find, and if you
> > eventually manage to find them, turn out to be too big to fit on a
> > CD.
> 
> I have put some work into www.debian.org to improve things. The click
> path is:

Thanks a lot for working on this. Considering that "installing Linux"
(as they say) is still something very scary for many potential users out
there, advertising prominently the possibility of trying Debian out
without having to touch your system is something that I consider very
important. I'm happy to see interest and work in this direction.

Along the same lines, I suggest to simplify the choices according to the
ways of acquiring Debian that are more likely for users. The suggestion
is implemented in the attached patch:

- it put first the two options that I think are more likely for our
  users, i.e. downloading debian (be it in the live flavor of not), and
  the other options (buying CD or pre-installed systems) next

- the choice of "small" vs "large" is now a sub-choice of downloading an
  installation image (the title of the section points to "small", as I
  believe is the choice we recommend)

The wording can surely be improved.

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Index: index.wml
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/webwml/webwml/english/distrib/index.wml,v
retrieving revision 1.53
diff -u -r1.53 index.wml
--- index.wml	3 Apr 2012 21:49:43 -0000	1.53
+++ index.wml	21 Aug 2012 10:01:50 -0000
@@ -12,49 +12,43 @@
 
 <div class="line">
   <div class="item col50">
-    <h2><a href="netinst">Download a small installation image</a></h2>
-   <p><strong>
-      Use Internet to download additional files during installation.
-   </strong></p>
-   <p>
-      These small <q>netinst</q> images can be downloaded quickly
-      and should be recorded onto a CD/DVD/USB disk.
-         These allow you to download only those Debian packages that
-         you actually want, but require an Internet connection on the
-         machine you are installing Debian onto.
-   </p>
-
-<ul class="quicklist downlist">
-<li><a title="Download installer for normal 32-bit Intel and AMD PC"
-       href="<stable-images-url/>/i386/iso-cd/debian-<current-tiny-cd-release-filename/>-i386-netinst.iso">32-bit PC netinst iso</a></li>
-<li><a title="Download installer for 64-bit Intel and AMD PC"
-       href="<stable-images-url/>/amd64/iso-cd/debian-<current-tiny-cd-release-filename/>-amd64-netinst.iso">64-bit PC netinst iso</a></li>
-</ul>
+    <h2><a href="netinst">Download an installation image</a></h2>
+    <p>Depending on your Internet connection, you might choose between:</p>
+    <ul>
+      <li>a <a href="netinst"><strong>small installation image</strong></a>:
+	    can be downloaded quickly and should be recorded onto a removable
+	    disk. To use this, you will need a machine with an Internet
+	    connection.
+	<ul class="quicklist downlist">
+	  <li><a title="Download installer for normal 32-bit Intel and AMD PC"
+		 href="<stable-images-url/>/i386/iso-cd/debian-<current-tiny-cd-release-filename/>-i386-netinst.iso">32-bit
+	      PC netinst iso</a></li>
+	  <li><a title="Download installer for 64-bit Intel and AMD PC"
+		 href="<stable-images-url/>/amd64/iso-cd/debian-<current-tiny-cd-release-filename/>-amd64-netinst.iso">64-bit
+	      PC netinst iso</a></li>
+	</ul>
+      </li>
+      <li>a larger <a href="CD/"><strong>complete installation
+	image</strong></a>: contains more packages, making it easier to install
+	machines without an Internet connection.
+	<ul class="quicklist downlist">
+	  <li><a title="Download torrents for normal 32-bit Intel and AMD PC"
+		 href="<stable-images-url/>/i386/bt-cd/">32-bit PC torrents</a></li>
+	  <li><a title="Download torrents for 64-bit Intel and AMD PC"
+		 href="<stable-images-url/>/amd64/bt-cd/">64-bit PC torrents</a></li>
+	</ul>
+      </li>
+    </ul>
   </div>
   <div class="item col50 lastcol">
-     <h2><a href="../CD/">Download large installation images</a></h2>
-   <p><strong>
-      Useful when the install target has no Internet connection.
-   </strong></p>
-   <p>
-      The CD/DVD images can be downloaded using
-      <a href="../CD/http-ftp/">HTTP/FTP</a>,
-      <a href="../CD/torrent-cd/">BitTorrent</a>, or
-      <a href="../CD/jigdo-cd/">Jigdo</a>.
-   </p>
-   <p>
-      The large CD and DVD images contain more packages, making it
-      easier to install machines without an Internet connection.
-      However, if you get a whole set of CDs or DVDs, you will get a lot of
-      packages that you won't actually use.
-   </p>
-
-<ul class="quicklist downlist">
-<li><a title="Download torrents for normal 32-bit Intel and AMD PC"
-       href="<stable-images-url/>/i386/bt-cd/">32-bit PC torrents</a></li>
-<li><a  title="Download torrents for 64-bit Intel and AMD PC"
-       href="<stable-images-url/>/amd64/bt-cd/">64-bit PC torrents</a></li>
-</ul>
+    <h2><a href="../CD/live/">Try Debian live before installing</a></h2>
+    <p>
+      You can try Debian by booting a live system from a CD, DVD or USB key
+      without installing any files to the computer. When you are ready, you can
+      run the included installer.
+      Read <a href="../CD/live#choose_live">information about this method</a>
+      to see if it is suitable for you.
+    </p>
   </div>
 </div>
 <div class="line">
@@ -89,13 +83,5 @@
     <li>The installation is pre-configured to match the hardware.</li>
     <li>The vendor may provide technical support.</li>
    </ul>
-    <h2><a href="../CD/live/">Try Debian live before installing</a></h2>
-   <p>
-      You can now try Debian by booting a live system from a CD, DVD or
-      USB key without installing any files to the computer. When you are
-      ready, you can run the included installer.
-      Read <a href="../CD/live#choose_live">information about this method</a>
-      to see if it is suitable for you.
-   </p>
   </div>
 </div>

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Hi,

I finally reviewed, tidied up and applied Zack's patch (thanks, Zack,
and sorry I took so long about it) and then did a bit more work bringing
live images to the fore, linking directly to the torrents of the iso
hybrid images, and also summarizing briefly the caveats that are
mentioned in more detail on the /CD/live page.

Ben

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