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Bug#611830: [www.debian.org] please update /ports/ WRT to amd64 ("EM64T") and ppc64



On 2011-02-04 13:53, Ben Armstrong wrote:
On 02/04/2011 01:36 PM, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
I actually filed this report when reviewing the release notes. I found
these "PC" descriptions vague/ambiguous. For example, a 32-bit PowerPC
is not i386. I think we should stick to x86 and x86-64, possibly
mentioning AMD64 and Intel 64. If not, then precise "IBM PC compatible",
not just "PC". I suppose release notes writers looked at /ports/ and
improvised a bit given the current status of /ports/.
The average person knows what "PC" means, as common usage defines that
term to mean "not Mac".
Then they do *not* know what PC means. PC means personal computer, Mac or not. "PC" is often used as short of "IBM PC compatible", probably depending on which part of the world one lives in, but we obviously don't want to encourage that usage.
  There are PCs and Macs in the world, and nothing
else. Recently, people are becoming aware of the difference between "64
bit" and "32 bit" but have no clue about the technical names for them.

I doubt if a person with a 32-bit PowerPC who wants to run Debian is
going to be confused by "32-bit PC (i386)". Give our users of less
popular architectures more credit than that. If they know that Debian
ought to work on their system, they probably know the precise name of
their architecture (or at least that it is *not* "PC").
Eh, they probably do, and they probably do not. The point of mentioning supported architectures is obviously to inform those who don't know what Debian supports. If everyone would already know, that part would be useless, independent of the formulation used.
The real danger is that ordinary users with very little awareness of
architecture differences with a plain old 32 or 64 bit PC will
inadvertently download the install media for more exotic architectures
(like ia64) because they are lost in a sea of unfamiliar designations
and therefore just resort to making a wild guess. Using the most common
name, "PC" to refer to the most common two architectures is therefore
perfectly appropriate, as it will be comfortably familiar for those with
less knowledge, and not ambiguous at all to those with more.
This doesn't make sense to me. If we look at PC users, they generally use either x86 or PowerPC machines. Those using PowerPC-s are often Mac OS users (and generally "Apple people"). I find these to be on average quite ignorant about computers, even more then the average PC user IMHO. Therefore, assuming that PowerPC users "have more knowledge", as you seem to do, seems completely wrong to me.

Nevertheless, as I said, I'm not opposed to usage of the term "PC", as long as it's unambiguously phrased as "IBM PC compatible".



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