[ continuing the discussion on -women ] On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:18:35AM +0100, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote: > > To go forward we now need (quickly!) a couple of things: > > 1) a coordinator for Debian participation into OPW […] > I volunteer for (1). I'm very motivated on this topic but I'm aware that > I've never done a task like this inside Debian and, although it's not so > much work, I'd prefer if someone else could join me. Another reason is > that I'll be VAC for about 15 days during July but, above all, I think > it's funnier not to work alone. > > So... who wants to join me? I promise to be a nice co-worker ;-) That's great Mònica, thanks for volunteering! I very much AOL your request for co-workers but, it no one else shows up, I'll be happy to help, although I'd love if you could take the lead (with some guidance if you want it, of course). > * I understand that GSoC projects are those that are technical and > non-GSoc projects are the non-technical ones. But what happens if a > woman wants to apply for a technical project and she is not a student? > She could apply for OPW but not for GSoC, but all technical projects are > in GSoC list... I think Debian should have women everywhere, not only in > the non-techie side. How could we fix this? Right, that's the main difficulty we *might* face; the general answer is that the Debian OPW coordinator and GSoC admins should talk and decide where to better direct the student. It will require good coordination between the teams and coherent answers to the students, so it'd be best if you ensure you're subscribed to the soc-coordination list on Alioth and, maybe, start getting in touch with the GSoC admins [1]. FWIW, I've already verified with them that they're fine with some overlap between OPW and GSoC, but talking more and getting to know each other before going forward *never* hurts :) [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/02/msg00006.html > * I don't completely understand how GSoC and OPW are combined. Do you > have more details about it? More specifically, here's what I think about the relationship among the 2 initiative. They are similar, with identically intern "salary", and happen during the same period for this round. But. GSoC is only for students and only for coding(-like) tasks. OPW is only for women but much more general in all other respects, no restriction on being students, no restriction on coding tasks. I totally agree with you that we should refuse the cliché "women = non-coding tasks", but I also think we should take all the opportunities that OPW offers us to *also* work on non-coding tasks. So I think the right approach is the one suggested by Marina, taking inspiration by GNOME's page. A page that clearly separate coding tasks, pointing to the GSoC idea list, and points to another page listing non-coding internship topics for the rest. If we have OPW applications which are in the "non-eligible for GSoC" category, then we're lucky in the sense that there is no doubt about which process the applicant should follow. Otherwise we do have some overlap, and we'll need to discuss with GSoC admins whether to encourage the applicant to stay in the OPW track, or rather follow the GSoC one. Does the above make sense? > * 5000$ is a lot of money. If this kind of positive discrimination > works, I think it's worth to do it but I would like to know if you feel > most Debian contributors agree with this. Note: I have no idea about the > current Debian finances status. Regarding Debian finances, I did verify that we can afford this before proposing it. It is my responsibility as DPL to ultimately approve using those money for OPW and, as mentioned already, it is my judgement that it would be totally worth to do so; this year as an experiment with budget for 1 intern, in the future maybe more (but that would be up to the next DPL to decide). I've no magic ball but I do feel that general project feeling on this is that it is an acceptable usage of money; but I've also mentioned this publicly on -project and on this list *before* actually using the money this way, so I do expect people to object to my decision (even trying to override me on this if needed) if they feel strongly about that. Regarding the amount of money, it is not *that* much for an internship of such a duration. In fact, it is meant to be exactly the same salary of GSoC, only acting on a different kind of positive discrimination (students in one case, women in another). So I do think the amount is totally fine. > > If noone else volunteers for that, I will *consider* doing it myself, > > but I'd rather not --- mainly because the timeframe of this OPW round > > coincides with the DPL change of guard and I'd rather devote my Debian > > time to ensure a smooth transition than joining new activities. > > If noone else wants to join me, could I count on you if I feel lost in > the way? :-) Deal ;-) I think the next step is preparing a draft of the landing page, adopting the same structure of the GNOME one, or even KDE (see Laura's mail). Do you think you can try a first stab at that? I'm now subscribed to -women, so we can continue discussion here for further coordination. For quicker interaction it might be useful to chat on IRC too, feel free to /query me about this anytime. Also, I suspect it would be useful to hang around Debian's GSoC channels. 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