Re: Asking about what's going on with the mentoring program
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 10:53:35AM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote:
> Hey there,
> I hope you read this :).
> The mentoring program is something that we all know that is there, but
> we never know if it's working or not. If people are applying, if the
> mentorships work or don't work, etc.
> If possible, could you send a mail to the list with some stats about
> the use of the program? Some info saying that it's still alive, or
> that it's mostly dead, whichever the case, so that we know how we can
> make it better.
> Thanks in advace!
The firstname.lastname@example.org still gets the occasional mail from people
interested in contributing to Debian or learning how to contribute.
I have had four bona fide emails this year most of whom I replied to with
further queries but none of which replied. The mentoring program is yet again
also lacking mentors.
I would therefore like to start a discussion on the mentoring program.
Here's some topics to start the discussion :
1. Should we continue with it?
2. What should it deliver? i.e. what are we expecting the mentoring program
3. Where is it in relation to http://mentors.debian.net/ ?
4. I think the process needs some formalisation.
The following scenarios have happened on my watch:
A mentee is assigned a mentor but they don't get on; the mentee gets to
know others in the D-W grpup who mentor her instead but none of this is
fed back to the mentoring team.
Mentees are put in contact with mentors; after a few emails the mentee
'disappears' i.e. drops out of all contact. The mentoring team isn't
Both these scenarios lead to mentors being realeased from their duties to
their mentee without the mentoring admin team knowing anything about it;
to the mentoring team, that mentor is still assigned.
Some mentees are more determined than others and get through the learning
process by finding other mentors; some mentees don't realise what is
involved in being part of the Debian team.
So I think the mentoring team need perhaps to be a bit more active and
regularly ask for updates from each party, giving people the chance to air
their view of the process in confidence. Would this be too onerous on the
participants? And how dowe quantify the responses we get?
5. I also think we need to be clearer how we are going to mentor.
Mentees come in with different skill levels and different interests. The
most common mismatch in expectations I encounter is mentees wanting to work
on the source code of a specific package. As far as I understand it, the
main work in Debian is packaging source code appropriately for the Debian
distrobution. This doesn't necessarily preclude someone from also working
upstream but how can we make it clearer where the emphasis lies vis-a-vis
Debian? Perhaps an explanation on what we can mentor on the appropriate
6. Lastly, I am getting an inordinate amount of spam through the
email@example.com email address.
This command counts the number of spam in one mbox:
grep -c -e '^To: ' spam.130901
After I have discounted any spam actually directly addressed to me, or some
strange place called mercuriogallery or something aimed at a German
University, using this command:
grep '^To: ' spam.130901 | grep -v -e '^To: lesleyb' | grep -v -e '^To: \
<lesley'| grep -v -e '^To: "mercur' | grep -v -e '^To: mentoring \
<firstname.lastname@example.org>' | wc -l
(And I have checked that last command gives nothing but the
So 52% of spam I received between 27th August and 1st September is coming
from the email@example.com mailing list.
If anyone can trap that spam at the debian.org domain or the subdomain
women.debian.org, I would be extremely glad never to receive it.