Debian, lists and discrimination
There are 3 questions in this email and a lot of explanation.
When almost all of a population is divided into two classes,
"postitive discrimination" in favour of one class is usually
indistinguishable from "negative discrimination" against the other. A
discriminatory list has been created on lists.debian.org. The creation
of debian-women was mentioned in the depths of the last "bits from the
having previously been bug 252171. Sadly, I didn't spot those, so was
unable to try to fix this new bug before now. There is no equivalent
encouragement list for men, nor any attempt to address any other
unrepresentative demographics. Those of you who read a lot of email
may remember discrimination was discussed a bit (not always usefully)
in the DPL elections: thread starting
I only found out about this after Amaya emailed me questions about why
I think debian-women is important and useful. I replied that I think
it is important as a symbol of rampant sexism in debian and not useful
at all in the long term. I don't know the sex of some of my debian
collaborators and I do not see why it is so important. Of course, my
views have not appeared on
http://debian-women.opensource-knowhow.com/supporters.html - it seems
there are only positive views there, even if some mention other skews.
(I can't decide if Matthew Wilcox is being funny or serious, BTW.)
Does debian really support sexism this much?
This new bout of sexism seems to have been triggered by Erinn Clark's
pro-discrimination talk at debconf4. Slides might be
http://cytosine.org/~helix/women_in_debian.pdf (no HTML version?) but
ICBW. "Workshops for young girls" is discrimination, pure and simple.
As the slides note, the DFSG say we don't allow copyright licences to
discriminate against groups of people: should we allow the project to
discriminate against men?
To me, the most obvious fix is to replace debian-women with something
like debian-equality or debian-welcome, to try to get people active
against discrimination rather than actively promoting blatent sexism.
The mailing list howto is clear on how to create lists, but not on the
appropriate method for fixing bugs in list creation. What are the
mechanics to do this?
I expect some flames for even asking about this, as the debian-women
list seems to have attracted some aggressive sexists from other
software-related groups already. I hope that people won't feed the
trolls and it results in debian doing something better to tackle
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