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Re: Profiles/contributors (was:Re: Website beta trial)

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:11:50 -0700
Carla Schroder <carla@bratgrrl.com> wrote:

> On Friday 23 July 2004 12:33 pm, nicole wrote:
> > 
> > At 12:25 on Jul 23, Carla Schroder shook the earth with:
> > 
> > > On Friday 23 July 2004 11:39 am, Amaya wrote:
> > > > Jutta Wrage wrote:
> > > > > Why basically men? What is the intention of the supporters
> > > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > As seen at: http://women.kde.org/aboutus/supporters.php
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm... honestly, that makes me feel a bit queasy. I'm sure
> > > they're great guys, but I don't see the point. It's not like
> > > there's a shortage of platforms for men to get recognition in
> > > tech. And I don't quite see how it fits the goals of
> > > Debian-Women... ??
> > 
> <snip good comments>
> > 
> > Third, I think we could just put a segment in the FAQ about how
> > men can be involved, too. Something like "I am a guy, but
> > interested in supporting debian-women. How do I get involved?"
> > This sort of plays into Erinn's existing FAQ question about this
> > being women-only.
> > 
> > Bottom line: we're not women-exclusive, we encourage the
> > participation of men, but women are what this is all about.
> > 
> Ok, good, I think you summed it up very well. But shouldn't all
> contributors to Debian-Women receive recognition? I'm just not
> comfortable with the idea of a separate "these guys think D-W is
> cool" page, it doesn't make sense to me. Like the KDE page- yeah,
> some guys think KDE-women is cool. So what? Maybe I'm just a
> cranky old bat, but I don't think we need an endorsement page from
> men.
> So maybe what we're looking at is a "Profiles" section which is
> exclusively for highlighting women Debian contributors, and a
> separate "These fine folks do the work here at D-W", because
> hard-working volunteers should get recognition.

I agree with Nicole that we don't need validation.  I do think
though that some sort of recognition for *everyone* who contributes
is necessary.

I AM a "cranky old bat".  Dipping back into the recesses of my
memory, to the 60's which I remember all too well, the struggle for
the rights of Blacks in the U.S. didn't really gain momentum until
"white" people joined in.  I think that it takes some men saying,
"Let these women into our clubhouse", before other men begin to

To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people
and the affection of children...to leave the world a better
place...to know even one life has breathed easier because you have
lived. This is to have succeeded.
  --Ralph Waldo Emerson

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