Bug#900928: deps

To: Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk>, 900928@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Bug#900928: deps
From: matthias.geiger1024@tutanota.de
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 18:04:54 +0200 (CEST)
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13. Apr. 2023, 17:39 von jonas@jones.dk:

I appreciate your work on getting dependent Rust crates packaged for
Debian.

thanks.

Personally I dislike the all-crates-in-one-git approach practiced in the
Rust team, and since the team has made it a "must" to do so within the
team I am not in that team at all.

that's what I hoped to avoid.

Please consider using the Debian bugtracker to communicate "intents to
package" by filing an ITP bugreport for each single upstream project
that you work on packaging for Debian.

I won't do that for the rust crates (except binary ones) since that is the Rust Teams' policy. You choose not to do so. While I agree that a big monorepo is not ideal the updating process is way more streamlined and that much crates can't all be maintained each in a seperate repo. That'd be madness.

I don't use the GNOME desktop myself, and do not maintain a range of
packages tightly related to GNOME, so for me it would be more a burden
to engage in yet another team with maybe-peculiar-to-me policies.

they use a pretty standardized workflow (DEP 14). just a thought.

I totally get that.

It pains me that when I ask about your work, you point me to what I
perceive as a teamwork with little visibility of your efforts in it.

well it's always teamwork I guess; I can claim the GTK update as my efforts.

Personally I suspect that some of the pain you have gone through in
getting those packages in shape is due to the Rust team "streamlining",
and I fear that the current blocker of bug#1017905 is a sign of that.

No. This is (while indirectly caused by me) not an issue imo, rather ftpmasters insisting the GTK-rs code generator needs to be shipped. (Note that this was fine before for some time) See the linked thread on the bug.

What I think is best for Debian is that we collaborate more in Debian.

Agreed.

In Debian as a whole, not (only) within teams.

I dislike several things in the Rust team, and I suspect that
bug#1017905 exists because of the Rust team insisting that Debian
packaging should mimic upstream distribution design.

See above.

You apparently work in the Rust team. If it works for you, then great -
I am not saying you should leave. But I am saying that I am torn
between wanting to collaborate and then having strong opinions myself
that arguably hinders collaboration.

I will maintain the GTK stack within the rust team as ITP some more GTK-rs stuff. fwiw I continuously commented my progress here and in the debcargo-confs' TODO file.

Regards,

Matthias Geiger

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