Bug#804315: [Vmdebootstrap-devel] Namespace issues

>It is worth noting that live-build is not a Debian project, it is an
>external project that claims to be an official Debian project. This is
>something that needs to be fixed.

This is a pretty big accusation. Considering Debian has Live images available through its download page (https://www.debian.org/CD/) one can only assume that Debian Live is an official part of the Debian project.

>There is no namespace issue, we are building on the existing live-config and
>live-boot packages that are maintained and bringing these into Debian as
>native projects. If necessary, these will be forks, but I'm hoping that
>won't have to happen and that we can integrate these packages into Debian
>and continue development in a collaborative manner.

Actually there is and I think any person who works in a legal capacity would verify that.

With regards to collaboration, considering this is the first many people have heard of this it seems to me you have not gone out of your way to integrate people who have been working on these packages into your project. As I said in my previous response to the Debian Live list (which btw last time someone used the word Debian in a unofficial capacity (Debian-Mulitmedia) they were asked to stop I haven't seen any requests like this to the Debian Live mailing list as yet) it would have been good if "instead of starting a new project the group from the new project would be much better off assisting with an already well established project

>live-build has been deprecated by debian-cd, and live-build-ng is
>replacing it. In a purely Debian context at least, live-build is deprecated.
>live-build-ng is being developed in collaboration with debian-cd and D-I.

Just out of interests sake can you provide proof of this?

>I'm aware that I'm going to be upsetting people, but this has been a long
>time coming and I'm not going to spend time bikeshedding over naming. I
>would rather spend that time on integration of live image creation into
>official Debian infrastructure and building the best system for live image
>creation possible.

Methinks you should have spent time communicating with the people who have spent years doing this already.

>Consider this thread marked as wontfix.

>Thanks,
>Iain.

You seem to be very intractable. No discussion, no change of heart, not willing to discuss anything with people like Daniel who have been doing this for years. If there has been correspondence from any part of Debian and the team who are working on Debian-Live that shows this is not something new and out of the blue I'll be very surprised.

Cheers.

Michael.

On 9 November 2015 at 10:45, Iain R. Learmonth <irl@debian.org> wrote:

Hi,

It is worth noting that live-build is not a Debian project, it is an
external project that claims to be an official Debian project. This is
something that needs to be fixed.

There is no namespace issue, we are building on the existing live-config and
live-boot packages that are maintained and bringing these into Debian as
native projects. If necessary, these will be forks, but I'm hoping that
won't have to happen and that we can integrate these packages into Debian
and continue development in a collaborative manner.

live-build has been deprecated by debian-cd, and live-build-ng is
replacing it. In a purely Debian context at least, live-build is deprecated.
live-build-ng is being developed in collaboration with debian-cd and D-I.

I'm aware that I'm going to be upsetting people, but this has been a long
time coming and I'm not going to spend time bikeshedding over naming. I
would rather spend that time on integration of live image creation into
official Debian infrastructure and building the best system for live image
creation possible.

Consider this thread marked as wontfix.

Thanks,
Iain.

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