On Tue, 2025-07-22 at 16:44 +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Maytham Alsudany dixit: > > > I am attempting to relicense some important content from wiki.debian.org > > to CC BY-SA 4.0 for inclusion in the new MediaWiki instance that > > currently runs at wiki2025.debian.org. The goal is to ensure all work on > > this new wiki is under a known, consistent license. See [1] for more > > information. > > I am *very* unhappy with both CC licences and how CC operates. > I’m also under the strong belief that technical wikis should have > the entirety of their content put under dual-licencing, with at > least one code and one nōn-code licence in the mix (or just use > The MirOS Licence (MirBSD), which can be used for either). Could you please read the "Content licensing" thread at [1] and send a mail to that thread? We would benefit from your insight. > > Do you give permission for all work you have submitted to > > wiki.debian.org to be distributed under the terms of the Creative > > Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International license, the text of > > which can be found at [2]? > > No, not like that. > > ┌──┤ permission grant ├───────────────────────────────────────────────── > │ I do give permission for all work I have submitted to wiki.debian.org > │ to be distributed in a dual-licencing (actually triple) schema, as > │ “MirBSD OR MIT OR CC-BY 4.0”, with the extra caveat that, for the CC > │ part of this, https://evolvis.org/~tg/cc.htm shall hold true, i.e. > │ that licensor’s intent regarding reuse of these works in LLM/so-called > │ “AI” overrides the statements by Creative Commons on these. > │ > │ (This is the same “interpretation guidelines” as are on the homepage > │ of The MirOS Licence, as well as comparable to those from my counter- > │ proposal on the recent GR discussion on so-called “AI”. This is > │ nōn-negotiable, but an equivalent interpretation guidelines hosted on > │ a .debian.org domain would be similarly acceptable.) I wholeheartedly agree that use of copyrighted content as training data for generative AI isn't fair use and that attribution is required, contrary to what Creative Commons seem to believe. Note that AI crawlers are actively being blocked since they keep DDoSing the MoinMoin instance, and that will probably be improved; Anubis was suggested during the wiki BoF at DebConf25, which blocks virtually all crawler traffic. > │ In addition, I give permission for code snippets on the Wiki that are > │ shorter than a hundred lines to be licenced as MirBSD OR MIT or CC0. > └─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── If I understand you correctly (which I probably don't, please correct me if I'm wrong), then this approach is acceptable (hopefully?): your content can be used with the same footer that says "This is licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0", which links to a copyright page on the wiki that links to/reproduces the license text, as well as a note on interpretation of the license wrt. training AI using content under this license. > I would like to apologise ahead of time for the extra effort I know > this will make you. :( -- Maytham [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-wiki/2025/07/threads.html
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