Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 09:13:50AM +0000, Bill Allombert wrote:
> Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:17:16PM +0200, Tobias Frost a écrit :
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 07:10:24PM +0000, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > > Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 02:37:49PM +0000, Bill Allombert a écrit :
> > > > Le Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 11:56:07AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin a écrit :
> > > > > Do you too agree with the position that having non-free firmware stored in
> > > > > your hardware is better than having it loaded from your OS?
> > > >
> > > > My position is that the laws governing embedded firmware are much
> > > > more favorable to the users than the laws governing freestanding
> > > > firmware.
> > >
> > > To gives a random example: firmware-iwlwifi
> > > (by the way the link in packages.d.o to the copyright file does not work
> > > https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_20210315-3_copyright
> > > return 404
> > > )
> > >
> > > * No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software
> > > is permitted.
> > > FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED
> > >
> > > You cannot disclaim warranty on hardware. You have to provide statutory
> > > warranty.
> >
> > You can't disclaim statutory warranty, regardless if its hardware or software.
> >
> > However, you can write a lot of sentences in your licenses, even some sentences
> > which are legally ineffective…
> >
> > Disclaimer: IANAL. This is not legal advice, but my oppinion.
>
> I am not a lawyer either, but Intel _does_ have lawyers that drafted
> this that way, and they know exactly what advantage they can get from
> it.
IME, often, lawyers go "this probably won't do anything, but it can't
harm us, so meh, let's try and see what we can get from a judge if it
ever comes to it".
Or even "I've seen this in other licenses, can't hurt, let's copy".
If a requirement like that gets thrown out in court, they haven't lost
anything, but if it *doesn't* get thrown out, they have gained an
advantage.
Lawyers are "cover all your bases" kind of people.
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