Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board: First call for votes
Hello Debian community,
I was surprised to see that kind of news... I do not have lot of time
for IT for the moment, but I read my email and I see that...
For the moment, what I understand, he just speak, nothing's more, maybe
with "clumsiness" about some subject...
It is a kind of freedom to try to speak about one subject. No ?
When someone try to speak as "phylosophist" there is test/trial,
sometimes good, sometimes less good, sometimes bad...
I don't know RMS as a friend, I just read on internet what he has done
for free software..., but, when we read what he writes, when we heard
what he says... Maybe sometimes words are misused, it happens to all of
us, sometimes words are misunderstood... Sometimes it is difficult in
few minutes to explain a feeling, a situation, a mindset, a concept...
And another thing, it is more difficult when we do not use the same
language as mother tong, I think more misunderstanding are possible...
On the internet and some kind of media feeling could be misleading...
I think if free software world lose RMS, it should be a great lose.
By my side I think and I hope this person is a good person, I do not
want to judge so quickly.
I think we have to take care.
If I miss something in the story, I am open to explanation, talk...
Thanks.
JC
On Sun, 2021-04-04 at 01:50 +0200, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt
Roeckx wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is the first call for votes on the General Resolution about
> a statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF
> board.
>
> Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC
> Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
>
> The following ballot is for voting on a statement regarding Richard
> Stallman's readmission to the FSF board.
>
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> [ ] Choice 1: Call for the FSF board removal, as in rms-open-
> letter.github.io
> [ ] Choice 2: Call for Stallman's resignation from all FSF bodies
> [ ] Choice 3: Discourage collaboration with the FSF while Stallman is
> in a leading position
> [ ] Choice 4: Call on the FSF to further its governance processes
> [ ] Choice 5: Support Stallman's reinstatement, as in rms-support-
> letter.github.io
> [ ] Choice 6: Denounce the witch-hunt against RMS and the FSF
> [ ] Choice 7: Debian will not issue a public statement on this issue
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> BALLOT OPTIONS
>
> Choice 1: Call for the FSF board removal, as in rms-open-
> letter.github.io
> =====================================================================
> ====
>
> The Debian Project co-signs the statement regarding Richard
> Stallman's readmission to the FSF board seen at
> https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md
> .
> The text of this statement is given below.
>
> Richard M. Stallman, frequently known as RMS, has been a
> dangerous force in the free software community for a long time. He
> has shown himself to be misogynist, ableist, and transphobic, among
> other serious accusations of impropriety. These sorts of beliefs
> have no place in the free software, digital rights, and tech
> communities. With his recent reinstatement to the Board of Directors
> of the Free Software Foundation, we call for the entire Board of the
> FSF to step down and for RMS to be removed from all leadership
> positions.
>
> We, the undersigned, believe in the necessity of digital autonomy
> and the powerful role user freedom plays in protecting our
> fundamental human rights. In order to realize the promise of
> everything software freedom makes possible, there must be radical
> change within the community. We believe in a present and a future
> where all technology empowers - not oppresses - people. We know that
> this is only possible in a world where technology is built to pay
> respect to our rights at its most foundational levels. While these
> ideas have been popularized in some form by Richard M. Stallman, he
> does not speak for us. We do not condone his actions and opinions.
> We do not acknowledge his leadership or the leadership of the Free
> Software Foundation as it stands today.
>
> There has been enough tolerance of RMS’s repugnant ideas and
> behavior. We cannot continue to let one person ruin the meaning of
> our work. Our communities have no space for people like Richard M.
> Stallman, and we will not continue suffering his behavior, giving
> him a leadership role, or otherwise holding him and his hurtful and
> dangerous ideology as acceptable.
>
> We are calling for the removal of the entire Board of the Free
> Software Foundation. These are people who have enabled and empowered
> RMS for years. They demonstrate this again by permitting him to
> rejoin the FSF Board. It is time for RMS to step back from the free
> software, tech ethics, digital rights, and tech communities, for he
> cannot provide the leadership we need. We are also calling for
> Richard M. Stallman to be removed from all leadership positions,
> including the GNU Project.
>
> We urge those in a position to do so to stop supporting the Free
> Software Foundation. Refuse to contribute to projects related to the
> FSF and RMS. Do not speak at or attend FSF events, or events that
> welcome RMS and his brand of intolerance. We ask for contributors to
> free software projects to take a stand against bigotry and hate
> within their projects. While doing these things, tell these
> communities and the FSF why.
>
> We have detailed several public incidents of RMS's behavior. Some of
> us have our own stories about RMS and our interactions with him,
> things that are not captured in email threads or on video. We hope
> you will read what has been shared and consider the harm that he has
> done to our community and others.
>
> Choice 2: Call for Stallman's resignation from all FSF bodies
> =============================================================
>
> Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the
> following statement:
>
> Debian’s statement on Richard Stallman rejoining the FSF board
>
> We at Debian are profoundly disappointed to hear of the re-election
> of Richard Stallman to a leadership position at the Free Software
> Foundation, after a series of serious accusations of misconduct led
> to his resignation as president and board member of the FSF in 2019.
>
> One crucial factor in making our community more inclusive is to
> recognise and reflect when other people are harmed by our own
> actions and consider this feedback in future actions. The way
> Richard Stallman announced his return to the board unfortunately
> lacks any acknowledgement of this kind of thought process. We are
> deeply disappointed that the FSF board elected him a board member
> again despite no discernible steps were taken by him to be
> accountable for, much less make amends for, his past actions or
> those who have been harmed by them. Finally, we are also disturbed
> by the secretive process of his re-election, and how it was
> belatedly conveyed [0] to FSF’s staff and supporters.
>
> We believe this step and how it was communicated sends wrong and
> hurtful message and harms the future of the Free Software movement.
> The goal of the software freedom movement is to empower all people
> to control technology and thereby create a better society for
> everyone. Free Software is meant to serve everyone regardless of
> their age, ability or disability, gender identity, sex, ethnicity,
> nationality, religion or sexual orientation. This requires an
> inclusive and diverse environment that welcomes all contributors
> equally. Debian realises that we ourselves and the Free Software
> movement still have to work hard to be in that place where everyone
> feels safe and respected to participate in it in order to fulfil the
> movement's mission.
>
> That is why, we call for his resignation from all FSF bodies. The
> FSF needs to seriously reflect on this decision as well as their
> decision-making process to prevent similar issues from happening
> again. Therefore, in the current situation we see ourselves unable
> to collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which
> Richard Stallman has a leading position. Instead, we will continue
> to work with groups and individuals who foster diversity and
> equality in the Free Software movement in order to achieve our joint
> goal of empowering all users to control technology.
>
> [0] https://status.fsf.org/notice/3796703
> Heavily based on:
> [1] https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210324-01.html
> [2]
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/statement-re-election-richard-stallman-fsf-board
>
> Choice 3: Discourage collaboration with the FSF while Stallman is in
> a leading position
> =====================================================================
> ==================
>
> Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the
> following statement:
>
> Debian’s statement on Richard Stallman rejoining the FSF board
>
> We at Debian are profoundly disappointed to hear of the re-election
> of Richard Stallman to a leadership position at the Free Software
> Foundation, after a series of serious accusations of misconduct led
> to his resignation as president and board member of the FSF in 2019.
>
> One crucial factor in making our community more inclusive is to
> recognise and reflect when other people are harmed by our actions
> and consider this feedback in future actions. Unfortunately, the way
> Richard Stallman announced his return to the board lacks any
> acknowledgement of this kind of thought process. We are deeply
> disappointed that the FSF board elected him as a board member again,
> despite no discernible steps were taken by him to be accountable
> for, much less make amends for, his past actions or those who have
> been harmed by them. Finally, we are also disturbed by the secretive
> process of his re-election, and how it was belatedly conveyed [0] to
> FSF’s staff and supporters.
>
> We believe this step and how it was communicated sends a wrong and
> hurtful message and harms the future of the Free Software movement.
> The goal of the software freedom movement is to empower all people
> to control technology and thereby create a better society for
> everyone. Free Software is meant to serve everyone regardless of
> their age, ability or disability, gender identity, sex, ethnicity,
> nationality, religion or sexual orientation. This requires an
> inclusive and diverse environment that welcomes all contributors
> equally. Debian realises that we and the Free Software movement
> still have to work hard to be in that place where everyone feels
> safe and respected to participate in it in order to fulfil the
> movement's mission.
>
> Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project discourages
> collaborating both with the FSF and any other organisation in which
> Richard Stallman has a leading position. Instead, we will continue
> looking forward to work with groups and individuals who foster
> diversity and equality in the Free Software movement in order to
> achieve our joint goal of empowering all users to control
> technology.
>
> [0] https://status.fsf.org/notice/3796703
>
> Choice 4: Call on the FSF to further its governance processes
> =============================================================
>
> This is a position statement of the Debian Developers in accordance
> with our constitution, section 4.1.5.
>
> The Developers firmly believe that leaders in any prominent
> organisation are, and should be, held to the highest standards of
> accountability.
>
> We are disappointed that issues of transparency and accountability
> in the governance of the Free Software Foundation have led to
> unresolved and serious complaints of impropriety by its founder
> Richard Stallman over a number of years whilst in the position of
> president and as a member of the board. In particular, we are deeply
> concerned that the board saw fit to reinstate him without properly
> considering the effect of its actions on those complainants.
>
> The Developers acknowledge that people make mistakes but believe
> that where those people are in leadership positions, they must be
> held accountable for their mistakes. We believe that the most
> important part of making mistakes is learning from them and changing
> behaviour. We are most concerned that Richard and the board have not
> sufficiently acknowledged or learned from issues which have affected
> a large number of people and that Richard remains a significant
> influence on both the FSF board and the GNU project.
>
> We call upon the Free Software Foundation to further steps it has
> taken in March 2021 to overhaul governance of the organisation, and
> to work tirelessly to ensure its aim is fulfilled. We believe that
> only through properly accountable governance can members of an
> organisation ensure their voice is heard. The Free Software
> Foundation must do everything in its power to protect its staff and
> members, and the wider community, including a robust and transparent
> process for dealing with complaints.
>
> We urge Richard Stallman and the remaining members of the board
> which reinstated him, to consider their positions.
>
> The Developers are proud that contributors to free software come
> from all walks of life and that our diverse experience and opinions
> are a strength of software freedom. But we must never cease in our
> efforts to ensure that all contributors are treated with respect,
> and that they feel safe and secure in our communities - including
> when we meet in person.
>
> Choice 5: Support Stallman's reinstatement, as in rms-support-
> letter.github.io
> =====================================================================
> =========
>
> The Debian Project co-signs the statement regarding Richard
> Stallman's readmission to the FSF board seen at
> https://rms-support-letter.github.io/. The text of this statement is
> given below.
>
> Richard M. Stallman, frequently known as RMS, has been a driving
> force in the free software movement for decades, with contributions
> including the GNU operating system and Emacs.
>
> Recently, there have been vile online attacks looking to remove him
> from the FSF board of directors for expressing his personal
> opinions. We have watched this happen before in an organized fashion
> with other prominent free software activists and programmers. We
> will not stand idly this time, when an icon of this community is
> attacked.
>
> FSF is an autonomous body that is capable of treating its members in
> a fair, unbiased fashion, and should not give in to external social
> pressures. We urge the FSF to consider the arguments against RMS
> objectively and to truly understand the meaning of his words and
> actions.
>
> Historically, RMS has been expressing his views in ways that upset
> many people. He is usually more focused on the philosophical
> underpinnings, and pursuing the objective truth and linguistic
> purism, while underemphasising people’s feelings on matters he’s
> commenting on. This makes his arguments vulnerable to
> misunderstanding and misrepresentation, something which we feel is
> happening in the open letter calling for his removal. His words need
> to be interpreted in this context and taking into account that more
> often than not, he is not looking to put things diplomatically.
>
> Regardless, Stallman’s opinions on the matters he is being
> persecuted over are not relevant to his ability to lead a community
> such as the FSF. Furthermore, he is entitled to his opinions just as
> much as anyone else. Members and supporters do not have to agree
> with his opinions, but should respect his right to freedom of
> thought and speech.
>
> To the FSF:
>
> Removing RMS will hurt FSF’s image and will deal a significant blow
> to the momentum of the free software movement. We urge you to
> consider your actions carefully, as what you will decide will have a
> serious impact on the future of the software industry.
>
> To the ambush mob who is ganging up on Richard Stallman over
> reasonable arguments in debate and various opinions and beliefs
> voiced over decades as a public figure:
>
> You have no part in choosing the leadership of any communities.
> Especially not via another mob attack which does not remotely
> resemble a fairly conducted debate as exemplified by better people
> such as Richard Stallman.
>
> Choice 6: Denounce the witch-hunt against RMS and the FSF
> =========================================================
>
> Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt
> against Richard Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the
> members of the board of the Free Software Foundation.
>
> Choice 7: Debian will not issue a public statement on this issue
> ================================================================
>
> The Debian Project will not issue a public statement on whether
> Richard Stallman should be removed from leadership positions or not.
>
> Any individual (including Debian members) wishing to (co-)sign any
> of the open letters on this subject is invited to do this in a
> personal capacity.
>
>
> Choice 8: Further Discussion
> ============================
>
> This is the default option. Rank this option higher than the
> unacceptable
> choices.
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