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Re: Standardization, large scale changes, innovations

On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:35AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> There isn't just Manoj that work on Manoj's packages (QA team, Security
> team, Derivative distro... and our users!)

They can use standard interfaces to modify the package, should they want
to. Manoj does the same.

> BTW, does Manoj own those package?


> As I wrote those lines, I wonder if some developer don't precisely use
> home made stuff to say "keep out, this is my own package".

If that were the case, that would be bad. But I don't think that Manoj
is doing this; he's doing it because it works better for him. And that's
fully his right.

> > > As long as the result is good -- a working, policy-compliant package
> >  -- how he gets that result is not your business.
> Isn't Debian an organisation (with 1000+ developers)?

Yes, and?

> >  (not the dpkg-dev tools necessarily) like dpkg-divert.  I
> > personally think this is a bug and I'd like to see the low-level
> > documentation of the exact deb format, for instance, in Policy, but it's a
> > very low priority compared to lots of other Policy work.
> > Now of course if one orphans one's package or can't maintain it properly
> > (lots of RC bugs, etc.), then I think redoing the packaging design is fair
> > game once QA comes into play.  Were Manoj to orphan a package, I suspect
> > it's quite likely that whoever picked it up would convert it to debhelper,
> > and that's fine.  If I adopted a package maintained in bzr, one of the
> > first things I'd do is convert the VCS repository to Git.  But as long as
> > the package is staying with its current maintainer and that maintainer is
> > doing a good job, I think the obligation of that maintainer is to satisfy
> > the interfaces, and what tools they use to do that is their business.
> What about Debian users who need to modify a package for special needs?
> What about peer review of the packages?
> What about other teams in Debian? (nmu, porters...)
> What about derivatives?
> What about upstream review of his packages? (there isn't just patches).

That can all be done. There's nothing in Manoj's packages that makes it
impossible to do so.

The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters
works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is
trying to fool the system.

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