On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 20:06 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Bart Martens <bartm@debian.org> wrote: [...] > > GR's are, in my opinion, meant to handle more general decisions, like > > describing to what extent the listmasters are authorized to [silently] > > take actions for keeping good order on the mailing lists, for what > > actions the listmasters need the DPL's approval, and similar guidelines. > > That's one opinion, but it's not what GRs can currently do. If that > bothers anyone enough, amend the constitution instead of noisily > refusing to support every GR that does stuff that GRs aren't "meant" > to do. It feels OK to me to express my opinion on debian-vote about this GR proposal and about what GR's should be used for. > > > > 7. We apologise publicly to everyone for not resolving this dispute > > > > I don't want to apologize in public to everyone for not having done any > > publicly visible attempt to resolve this dispute. > > Cool. This proposal doesn't do that. It apolgises for not resolving > it, not for not attempting. The bit you snipped even thanks everyone > who has attempted, whether publicly-visible or not! My point is that the Debian project has no responsibility in the mentioned personal dispute, so the Debian project should not apologise for not resolving that dispute in the name of all DD's. > > > So I will not support this GR proposal. Maybe I might support a GR that > > introduces practical guidelines for the listmasters and the DPL about > > taking immediate actions to keep order on the mailing lists. > > I think it's very difficult to issue good practical guidelines, as it > depends on humanity and too many variables. What is acceptable on > debian-esperanto may be too offensive on debian-i18n, for example. I agree with that. This seems to confirm that we cannot micro-manage the mailing lists by GR's. The listmasters need some room to make immediate decisions to keep order on the lists, and those decisions may differ depending on the context. Regards, Bart Martens
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