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Re: calling firmware code data is not being honest with ourselves, includes counterproposal and RFC on a possible Amendment (Was: Proposal: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware)

On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 09:25:20AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 12:15:40AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:58:20AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > I would prefer it if you would strike references to "non-free" in the above
> > > > and replace them with the term "sourceless", to keep the scope the same as

> > > Well, the DFSG clearly state that programs need to have sources to be free. so
> > > i don't really see why you are afraid to use the right word for it ?

> > It is not the "right" word for it, it is a *different* word, which changes
> > the scope of the resolution.  The GR I've proposed does not excuse non-free
> > firmware in general, it only states that sourceless firmware is permitted. 

> sourceless firmwares are non-free. By calling them sourceless instead of
> non-free, you kind of excuse keeping them in main, and kind of implies that
> even if they are lacking source, they still are DFSG free, which is a clear
> contradiction with both our principles, common sense, and what debian has
> stood for all those years and confirmed in the pre-sarge GRs.

> > Whether you consider sourceless firmware to be non-free or not, changing
> > "sourceless" to "non-free" is a change of scope.

> Indeed, you pass from word nit-picking and duisguising the truth to saying
> things squarely as they are.

I see that, as usual, your very small brain doesn't afford you the luxury
of having a rational discussion about this subject without resorting to
insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you.  My pity for your mental
handicap is stretched to its limits; please find a proxy with better command
of social interaction if you have anything further to say to me on this
subject, because I won't be reading or replying to your posts from here on.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
vorlon@debian.org                                   http://www.debian.org/

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